Two-lane Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Whatnonsence said: What about those inside the airport where were they evacuated too given the huge exclusion area around the airport? Perhaps there are two aspects to be considered: to keep people away from the blast area (probably not too far unless it was a truck bomb), and if there was an explosion to keep the roads around the airport free for access by multiple fire and ambulance vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, Gladys said: It would seem to be another example of either a lack of an emergency response plan, or ignoring it if it exists. Surely the airport has a response plan to deal with such incidents? They said they had an emergency protocol and followed it. Is an emergency protocol the same as an emergency response plan? And isn’t it usual to review how it worked after an implementation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, John Wright said: They said they had an emergency protocol and followed it. Is an emergency protocol the same as an emergency response plan? And isn’t it usual to review how it worked after an implementation? Yes, it is, but what was the plan for the people on the airside? How was the communication so poor? A firewall issue apparently. Perhaps I was being harsh, but it does seem like the plan didn't quite hit the spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gladys said: A firewall issue A likely story. And even if it was the worst-configured firewall in the history of the world, it still wouldn't have stopped updates being issued on Twitter and Facebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, Sheldon said: A likely story. And even if it was the worst-configured firewall in the history of the world, it still wouldn't have stopped updates being issued on Twitter and Facebook. They were issued on twitter and FB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Sheldon said: A likely story. And even if it was the worst-configured firewall in the history of the world, it still wouldn't have stopped updates being issued on Twitter and Facebook. They did a bit on Facebook, but all a bit belated. You get the impression that no one is in charge - but that's no change. I love the way that whenever anything goes wrong with anything that might involve GTS, no matter how inept or implausible the story, everyone just shrugs their shoulders and accepts it. Edited to add: The Twitter contribution (the first since February) consisted of a single re-tweet from the police. This page is manned during office hours by operational staff apparently. Though not too diligently it seems. Edited June 16, 2022 by Roger Mexico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, John Wright said: They were issued on twitter and FB 14 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: They did a bit on Facebook, but all a bit belated. Mea culpa, then. I hadn't any first hand knowledge one way or the other, and foolishly based an assumption on the lamentations on IOMN&P ☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopy2110 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Amazed LGW hasn't been canceled this evening. Only just left Gatwick and won't get here until half 10. Then got to turn around and be out again, surely going to go beyond 11pm, thought the airport couldn't stay open after then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Max Power said: An American lady on MR said that they were herded onto the tarmac and waited over two hours standing there! Yes, I had rels involved too. They were apparently moved into a bus that went nowhere for some considerable period of time. At least they would have been out of any rain though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 11 hours ago, NoTailT said: Rozzers say package continues to be assessed. Does this translate to 'we are waiting for UK experts'? @Derek Flint This could have gone on forever. Looks like a protocol - driven over reaction. Needs someone on the ground to make a pragmatic risk and threat assessment and decision. Takes Cojones 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsdesk Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Max Power said: An American lady on MR said that they were herded onto the tarmac and waited over two hours standing there! You have to wonder about proportionality here. I’ve never seen tens of thousands of people herded out of Gatwick into the carparks when someone’s rampant rabbit goes off at security. Yet at a small regional airport we go automatically to DEFCON 5 and clear the whole building, shut down all the IT feeds, and tell people to come nowhere near the place for hours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) On 6/16/2022 at 9:45 PM, Newsdesk said: You have to wonder about proportionality here. I’ve never seen tens of thousands of people herded out of Gatwick into the carparks when someone’s rampant rabbit goes off at security. Yet at a small regional airport we go automatically to DEFCON 5 and clear the whole building, shut down all the IT feeds, and tell people to come nowhere near the place for hours. It will have been the first bit of excitement their fire crews have had in years! Edited June 18, 2022 by finlo 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anyone Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Question is why would any person or organisation want to bomb the Isle of Man? That in itself makes it a bit of an overreaction. Said terrorist would have to fly here to do it and the chances are his/her flight would be cancelled anyway so they’d be stuck in a Premier Inn at Gatwick or something. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 51 minutes ago, Newsdesk said: You have to wonder about proportionality here. I’ve never seen tens of thousands of people herded out of Gatwick into the carparks when someone’s rampant rabbit goes off at security. Yet at a small regional airport we go automatically to DEFCON 5 and clear the whole building, shut down all the IT feeds, and tell people to come nowhere near the place for hours. 20 years ago when Al Quaeda were the terrorist threat after 9/11 and some people supposedly had ricin poison posted to them, half a street in Douglas was locked down after somebody in an office noticed some white powder under a fire extinguisher on a wall IIRC? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: 20 years ago when Al Quaeda were the terrorist threat after 9/11 and some people supposedly had ricin poison posted to them, half a street in Douglas was locked down after somebody in an office noticed some white powder under a fire extinguisher on a wall IIRC? Funny you should mention that, but shortly after 9/11, at my job at the time (in the UK) a pamphlet issued by a group supporting Kashmir independence was received by the post room. Because it wasn't addressed to a specific department, it ended up in my department (which was "the dept where stuff that doesn't fit elsewhere goes"). We opened it and the pamphlet had some pretty graphic photos of Kashmiri deaths and mutilations and some equally extreme text. It was reported and taken away by the police. The worry at the time was anthrax, but all was OK if not a little disturbing. After that I searched the Internet for latex gloves. You would be surprised with the results! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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