Bandits Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) Aurigny is owned by the Guernsey government.I’d have thought the reason it’s making a profit amongst the chaos is that it’s got better market share with EJ and BA flying less frequently. Edited August 1, 2022 by Bandits 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, The Phantom said: I was chatting to someone from Jersey yesterday and we got onto talking about Govt shambles. Apparently they have similar capital project issues there, but right now there is quite a bit of suspicion that something fishy has been going on with the Jersey Govt owned airline Aurigny. For the last few years it's been making losses of approx £20m per year (last year was slightly less - £13.5m). https://www.itv.com/news/channel/2022-03-17/guernsey-airline-aurigny-suffered-135-million-loss-in-2021 This is something to bear in mind when people are asking for more Govt involvement into our airline connections, especially when you consider Jersey has a much more significant tourist industry than we do here. However all of a sudden this year they have suddenly started to show a profit and this is at a time when the airline industry as a whole is on its knees! https://www.itv.com/news/channel/2022-05-25/guernseys-airline-aurigny-encouraged-by-its-2021-financial-results He isn't someone I would expect to go all conspiracy, but this does seem a bit weird. Airlines that have managed their recovery well are bouncing back very well. Even IAG/BA which have had a bit of a mess on their hands have swung from £809m loss to £245m profit. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62344654 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Bandits said: Aurigny is owned by the Guernsey government.I’d have thought the reason it’s making a profit amongst the chaos is that it’s got better market share with EJ and BA flying less frequently. easyJet and British Airways have never flown scheduled services to Guernsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Nellie said: easyJet and British Airways have never flown scheduled services to Guernsey. Except when they did. https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/pressrelease/details/86/0/13085 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, 0bserver said: Except when they did. https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/pressrelease/details/86/0/13085 And when EasyJet did too. Aurigny have very little competition on key routes now which is probably why they’re nit in the same mess as other airlines. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-guernsey-24627129 Edited August 1, 2022 by Bandits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 32 minutes ago, Bandits said: And when EasyJet did too. Aurigny have very little competition on key routes now which is probably why they’re nit in the same mess as other airlines. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-guernsey-24627129 Plus management have trimmed the fat and changed the aircraft on the inter-Island services to likes of Alderney which previously hemorrhaged money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 35 minutes ago, Bandits said: Aurigny have very little competition on key routes now which is probably why they’re nit in the same mess as other airlines. Who would have thought it ! Open skies my arse !!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, asitis said: Who would have thought it ! Open skies my arse !!!! I think Guernsey's benefit with Aurigny is the short runway! Creates load issues for likes of easy, BA and Ryanair. Hence BA only flies there with their E Jets in Cityflyer. Edited August 1, 2022 by NoTailT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, NoTailT said: I think Guernsey's benefit with Aurigny is the short runway! Creates load issues for likes of easy, BA and Ryanair. Hence BA only flies there with their E Jets in Cityflyer. Agreed but it resonates with restricted market size, something which we have always had and imo always will have ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Bandits said: And when EasyJet did too. Aurigny have very little competition on key routes now which is probably why they’re nit in the same mess as other airlines. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-guernsey-24627129 @Observeris correct that BA did operate a handful of routes, for a few weeks in Summer 2021, when they didn't have much else to do with their London City based fleet. However easyJet have definitely never operated to Guernsey, even if they did once apply for a license before changing their mind, which is what your link actually says. However, the original FlyBe were a sizeable player in the Guernsey market, and their demise has probably helped Aurigny, by reducing competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 2 hours ago, asitis said: Agreed but it resonates with restricted market size, something which we have always had and imo always will have ! Yet in 2018 Guernsey airport processed more passengers than Ronaldsway did! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 2 hours ago, NoTailT said: I think Guernsey's benefit with Aurigny is the short runway! Creates load issues for likes of easy, BA and Ryanair. Hence BA only flies there with their E Jets in Cityflyer. IIRC it’s more to do with the load bearing capacity of the runway/taxiways/ apron (PCN in pilot speak) rather than field length that is the main issue. Lots of negativity about the IOM having its own airline, and the example of the losses that Aurigny have until recently been making being the main spouted spoiler. I think it’s far to simplistic to say that if an airline was set up here it would have the same specific issues as Aurigny has - it’s never been fully researched as far as I can remember. One point often overlooked is the benefit to the local economy - the money that is spent in wages and services by Aurigny airline will be spent mostly in Guernsey, income tax will go to their coffers too. IOMG should look into the proposition of a national airline with an open mind and not be put off by the vocal naysayers who find it difficult to see past the bridge of their own noses. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, madmanxpilot said: IIRC it’s more to do with the load bearing capacity of the runway/taxiways/ apron (PCN in pilot speak) rather than field length that is the main issue. Lots of negativity about the IOM having its own airline, and the example of the losses that Aurigny have until recently been making being the main spouted spoiler. I think it’s far to simplistic to say that if an airline was set up here it would have the same specific issues as Aurigny has - it’s never been fully researched as far as I can remember. One point often overlooked is the benefit to the local economy - the money that is spent in wages and services by Aurigny airline will be spent mostly in Guernsey, income tax will go to their coffers too. IOMG should look into the proposition of a national airline with an open mind and not be put off by the vocal naysayers who find it difficult to see past the bridge of their own noses. Couldn't agree more. What I think we really need is a reincarnation of Citywing, but licensed and safe. Small planes flying to the UK regions, avoiding the hassle and shitshow of the big airports, but also having a modern economic fleet like Aurigny have now adopted for flying to the hubs in London and Manchester. Out of interest, what are the immigation facilities at the airport these days? How do they handle Dublin flights since Brexit? Edited August 1, 2022 by NoTailT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, madmanxpilot said: IIRC it’s more to do with the load bearing capacity of the runway/taxiways/ apron (PCN in pilot speak) rather than field length that is the main issue. Lots of negativity about the IOM having its own airline, and the example of the losses that Aurigny have until recently been making being the main spouted spoiler. I think it’s far to simplistic to say that if an airline was set up here it would have the same specific issues as Aurigny has - it’s never been fully researched as far as I can remember. One point often overlooked is the benefit to the local economy - the money that is spent in wages and services by Aurigny airline will be spent mostly in Guernsey, income tax will go to their coffers too. IOMG should look into the proposition of a national airline with an open mind and not be put off by the vocal naysayers who find it difficult to see past the bridge of their own noses. Do Mercedes build planes? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, NoTailT said: Out of interest, what are the immigation facilities at the airport these days? How do they handle Dublin flights since Brexit? I have no idea, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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