gerremonside Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, NoTailT said: I've been on an ATR piloted by Paul Quine that has landed on 21. Capt Quine was also the last Captain to land a Dash 8 Q400 on runway 21, and not a lot of people know that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxfisherman Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Why don't they call the runways 1 and 2? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Cypman said: RW 21 was often used by Manx Airlines, even the BAE 146 on occasions. I believe easyJet have used it for a landing. Albeit only once or twice Edited October 17, 2022 by snowman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, manxfisherman said: Why don't they call the runways 1 and 2? because IIRC? , the numbers equate to compass headings depending on which end you are approaching to land from. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, doc.fixit said: I'm totally flummoxed by all this talk of runways and meteorology All me and my family want is a good customer experience in the airport and safe, comfy 'planes that are on schedule. I realise that weather and faults can cause delays but good communication with the travelling public and support getting other flights or accommodation would go such a long way to getting on-side with customers. Just go back in time to the 1980s and you'll have what you want. Simples! Edited October 17, 2022 by GD4ELI 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, gerremonside said: Capt Quine was also the last Captain to land a Dash 8 Q400 on runway 21, and not a lot of people know that.... Local skill goes a long way. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 38 minutes ago, NoTailT said: Local skill goes a long way. They at least need someone who can tell the time. I see tonight they have the same retard manning the website that can’t work out 24 hour clock times. The 19:55 is again landing at 19.00 before it even took off. FFS. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerremonside Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 5 hours ago, snowman said: I believe easyJet have used it for a landing. Albeit only once or twice Not a landing. They would never allow a circling approach to either within their company operating minima. Also with any load, landing distance available would preclude use. I have however seen an empty 319 use it for departure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 7 hours ago, gerremonside said: Capt Quine was also the last Captain to land a Dash 8 Q400 on runway 21, and not a lot of people know that.... Capt Quine best MHK we never had , pity he lost out, had common sense and a social conscience , ! shame when you see what we have finished up with . 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 29 minutes ago, Omobono said: Capt Quine best MHK we never had , pity he lost out, had common sense and a social conscience , ! shame when you see what we have finished up with . Sorry, Paul is an excellent airman. But he was a relatively idle MHK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah 01 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, gerremonside said: They would never allow a circling approach to either within their company operating minima Care to share the extract from their FCOM? Is it a performance limitation? A 320 at max landing weight into 35kts would be marginal but a 319? Edited October 18, 2022 by Utah 01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerremonside Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Utah 01 said: Care to share the extract from their FCOM? Is it a performance limitation? A 320 at max landing weight into 35kts would be marginal but a 319? I haven't seen it Utah, but it's not particularly the LDA that I believe would limit operations to land on 21, but the fact there is no IAP. Therefore this would need an approach to 26 and visual break over high ground to land 21. Like I say,I haven't seen the company ops manual but would be massively surprised to see either a 320 or 319 Visual manoeuvre to do so. According to the ILS approach plate, the break would have to be flown commencing at 1190ft due to aircraft Category, and if the wind was SWly 35 kts, it's also highly likely there'd be cloud below that level limiting the visual break anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah 01 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 The IAP is the ILS26 and you are quite correct, the circling minima east of 03/21 is 1190'. With 1190' being used as the MDA and still IMC then, of course, the missed approach for 26 is initiated. If no circling minima was published I could understand your reticence but, personally, I'd not be very impressed with a pilot who can't handle circling approaches. Let me assure you, with a really strong SW'ly, the likelihood is that the cloud base is well above minima as it was yesterday. Of course, you could be unlucky and have a day when Ronaldsway is experiencing 35kt fog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Just heard the new airport director on the nations mouthpiece defending vanity projects, runway extension was good as we can run bigger planes to far flung places. I thought we had to have it or the biggest thing we could have was microlights, and not the ones that could carry two. We cannot run a 40 minute flight to Liverpool less anywhere further afield. In fact could not see anything that was not needed, next thing he will be saying that the runway resurfacing was a good fiscal project and delaying purchase of lights means we can drive a harder bargain. All he needs is 18 million and he can carry on the good work started by Renolds and Spake. Still no oil for trolleys. Another numpty, god we can get them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steady Eddie Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dirty Buggane said: Just heard the new airport director on the nations mouthpiece defending vanity projects, runway extension was good as we can run bigger planes to far flung places. I thought we had to have it or the biggest thing we could have was microlights, and not the ones that could carry two. We cannot run a 40 minute flight to Liverpool less anywhere further afield. In fact could not see anything that was not needed, next thing he will be saying that the runway resurfacing was a good fiscal project and delaying purchase of lights means we can drive a harder bargain. All he needs is 18 million and he can carry on the good work started by Renolds and Spake. Still no oil for trolleys. Another numpty, god we can get them It doesn’t matter how long or wide our runway is if nothing can land due to weather conditions as our radar is shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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