WTF Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 23 minutes ago, Manx Mole said: It’s to do with the fact that it is a cross runway - ie crosses another runway. There must be procedures in place to ensure that only one runway is being used at any time. Someone highlighted that the extant procedures were not up to the required standard, although they’ve worked for the last 50 years just fine. ATC Management mentioned the issue to the local CAA, who instructed them to come up with a solution. They haven’t, so local CAA told them they can’t use 21-03 until they do. The rest is history. Why don’t they ask other airports who have cross runways how they do it? AND THE TRUTH IS FINALLY OUT THERE !!!! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) To sum up, inaction ! Is anyone surprised ? ..... to make matters worse the problem was so I'm told identified in house not externally ! Edited November 2, 2022 by asitis 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 How long has it been since the RW21 upgrade was completed, and how long would it have taken for a Deputy Airport Director/ Operations Manager to import a copy of another airport’s procedures and modify as necessary ? I am sure there is a new Airport Consultancy in London that will tell you they can do it !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah 01 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Manx Mole said: There must be procedures in place to ensure that only one runway is being used at any time. It's called an air traffic controller and the name gives the game away; he/she CONTROLS traffic so that only one runway is in use at any one time, be it for 5 minutes or 5 hours but the whole idea is to give the airport operation some flexibility. What procedures do you need? You clear an aircraft to take-off/ land on runway X and if there is an aircraft waiting to take-off/land on runway Y it is told to wait until the CONTROLLER gives it clearance to do otherwise. This 'safety' is an excuse and utter BS. There is no issue, there hasn't ever been an issue apart from the fuckwits that inhabit the tower and the tin-pot experts at that centre of aviation excellence in Douglas. Edited November 2, 2022 by Utah 01 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 So there is no one in the DOI that can write a detailed safety procedure for an airport runway? WTF did we employ the new guy for? Can he not do something like that? I would have thought that was the type of thing a director of an airport should be doing in their sleep? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamon Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Is it any wonder that Flybe decided to cancel planned flights into Ronaldsway? What a shambles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) I just wonder what planet are our MHK's and CS on. We listen to them spouting on about increasing the population and the fairytale stories of Zillions of extra visitors. Hello ! Do they really not realise without credible air links and the ability to be able to land in most weathers or winds its not going to ever happen. How credible is the Isle of Man currently with flights getting cancelled seeminly weekly. And the hassles to get your money back is another story. Perhaps if the Jolly boys and girls outing to Westminster gets cancelled or massively delayed they might just catch on to what the plebs are having to deal with. Edited November 2, 2022 by Numbnuts 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Mole Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Just now, Utah 01 said: It's called an air traffic controller and the name gives the game away; he/she CONTROLS traffic so that only one runway is in use at any one time, be it for 5 minutes or 5 hours but the whole idea is to give the airport operation some flexibility. What procedures do you need? You clear an aircraft to take-off/ land on runway X and if there is an aircraft waiting to take-off/land on runway Y it is told to wait until the CONTROLLER gives it clearance to do otherwise. This 'safety' is an excuse and utter BS. There is no issue, there hasn't ever been an issue apart from the fuckwits that inhabit the tower and the tin-pot experts at that centre of aviation excellence in Douglas. Apparently, the specific issue that was raised relates to the ‘movement strips’. Perhaps someone with more knowledge on the subject than me can explain that to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipsqueak Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, Manx Mole said: Apparently, the specific issue that was raised relates to the ‘movement strips’. Perhaps someone with more knowledge on the subject than me can explain that to us. you sound very in the know with the mention of movement strips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Expansion joints or lack of probably just like the pink concrete on the prom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Mole Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Just now, Pipsqueak said: you sound very in the know with the mention of movement strips 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 minute ago, finlo said: Expansion joints or lack of probably just like the pink concrete on the prom! They've got enough natural ones. They're called cracks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, finlo said: Expansion joints or lack of probably just like the pink concrete on the prom! So, what procedure deal with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Mole Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) Just now, finlo said: Expansion joints or lack of probably just like the pink concrete on the prom! They are pieces of paper (strips) the controllers move around their desk like chess pieces to record and detail aircraft movements. Edited November 2, 2022 by Manx Mole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 17 minutes ago, Manx Mole said: They are pieces of paper (strips) the controllers move around their desk like chess pieces to record and detail aircraft movements. That makes more sense than expansion joints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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