asitis Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, gerremonside said: position probably worth having. Maybe this time, those making decisions will ask those sat at the pointy end of the aircraft, rather than some belligerent so called expert, and a minor TV personality about what might be best !! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikimoto Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Flybe just announce Newcastle-Heathrow and Newcastle-Belfast. Hmm...those destinations ring a bell... And where did they get those cancelled aircraft from?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, Mikimoto said: Flybe just announce Newcastle-Heathrow and Newcastle-Belfast. Hmm...those destinations ring a bell... And where did they get those cancelled aircraft from?! Keep up at the back. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, 0bserver said: Keep up at the back. i don't think they're in the same column Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, John Wright said: The fact that they’ve maybe got away with a less than optimum procedure without incident for 60+ years is neither here no there, once its identified. if something has worked for 60 years , it can stay working , just needs the ATC bod that decided it could be a problem to be correctly educated in the 60 years tried and tested method of usage, or give them a brush and a can of oil to sort the trolleys out. also remember that what ever the system was, it worked sufficiently well without incident when the airport had more flights per day than we ever get now. Edited November 3, 2022 by WTF 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, WTF said: if something has worked for 60 years , it can stay working , just needs the ATC bod that decided it could be a problem to be correctly educated in the 60 years tried and tested method of usage, or give them a brush and a can of oil to sort the trolleys out. also remember that what ever the system was, it worked sufficiently well without incident when the airport had more flights per day than we ever get now. You could say that about all H&SW matters, but once you have an audit, and the regulator knows, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 minute ago, John Wright said: You could say that about all H&SW matters, but once you have an audit, and the regulator knows, etc. yes, but is it really a problem , or just a non problem someone invented cos they didn't understand it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 If there's a move to not use that runway, then why did the GMP pay to have it resurfaced? Is it just the usual arse about face approach from DOI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, 0bserver said: If there's a move to not use that runway, then why did the GMP pay to have it resurfaced? Is it just the usual arse about face approach from DOI? There has always been rumour about closing that runway, that course of action is an accountants dream ! however the public are asking for more certainty of flights, and certainly yesterday we may have got more departures if not arrivals from 21. Aviation should not be run by accountants ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 3 hours ago, gerremonside said: Southend, Norwich, wick, teesside, all cross runways are closed. Humberside is heavily restricted and very rarely used. Carlisle is to all intents and purposes closed to commercial traffic. Aldergrove and valley are both military or quasi military and different types of procedure apply. It is actually very rare to have an operational cross runway, but given the islands uniquely exposed to weather position probably worth having. Is the problem here that the Head of ATC had only military experience when he came here and so might be unused to civilian procedures or how to set them up? Cross runways do exist in many parts of the world but accidents do happen[1], so procedures are needed. [1] The one at Moscow being caused by a drunken snowplough driver must be the most Russian thing ever. You'd like to assume that nothing similar could happen here, but none of us would be surprised to find Reynolds had purchased a fleet of snowploughs for Ronaldsway and a commissioned a multi-million pound building to house them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Just now, Roger Mexico said: Is the problem here that the Head of ATC had only military experience when he came here and so might be unused to civilian procedures or how to set them up? Cross runways do exist in many parts of the world but accidents do happen[1], so procedures are needed. That is certainly my impression based on some of the technically flawed operational decisions and pronouncements made. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 21 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Is the problem here that the Head of ATC had only military experience when he came here and so might be unused to civilian procedures or how to set them up? That is amusing. He was an ATC for the Royal Navy. British carriers have only one runway and presumably never have the problems of cross-wind landings. Probably also never have a problem with commercial or private traffic - they just get told to bugger off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxweegie Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 43 minutes ago, Two-lane said: That is amusing. He was an ATC for the Royal Navy. British carriers have only one runway and presumably never have the problems of cross-wind landings. Probably also never have a problem with commercial or private traffic - they just get told to bugger off. The Royal Navy also operates several Air Stations at the following: RNAS Culdrose (HMS Seahawk) - Culdrose, Helston, Cornwall, England RNAS Predannack (satellite airfield) - Mullion, Cornwall RNAS Yeovilton (HMS Heron) - Yeovilton, Somerset, England RNAS Merryfield (satellite airfield) - Ilton, Somerset RNAS Prestwick (HMS Gannet), Ayrshire, Scotland I do believe some of these have cross runways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Gay'n Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: You'd like to assume that nothing similar could happen here Turning over a fire tender in 2011 because it was being driven too quickly? Didn't some piece of kit end up in the sea as well? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Two-lane said: Probably also never have a problem with commercial or private traffic - they just get told to bugger off. Or shot down. 2 minutes ago, Boo Gay'n said: Didn't some piece of kit end up in the sea as well? The fire brigade there has a really nice RIB they launch from Derbyhaven. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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