Airport.

[Chris Thomas]

On 11/29/2022 at 5:24 PM, Roger Mexico said:

Nothing seem definite, except for Heathrow as far as I can see.  It looks to me like the sort of story the UK Gov feeds to the Times, so as they can reassure their readership that their latest niggle will be addressed.  And then nothing happens and everyone forgets anyway.

Not that that has ever prevented Ronaldsway splashing the cash.  But @Chris Thomas needs to stop believing every story about what the Airport 'has' to have, until they can prove it in writing (and even then I'd check).

You are right. Ronaldsway does not need to have the new scanners. It might though. Consideration underway and decision eventually.

[quilp]

28 minutes ago, Chris Thomas said:

You are right. Ronaldsway does not need to have the new scanners. It might though. Consideration underway and decision eventually.

What's does "It might though" indicate? What would be the reasoning? 

Edited January 29, 2023 by quilp

[Two-lane]

27 minutes ago, Chris Thomas said:

You are right. Ronaldsway does not need to have the new scanners.

Have you looked at the process whereby Ronaldsway ended up with half-a-dozen boarding card scanners (only one of which is in use) when Liverpool only needs four?

[John Wright]

35 minutes ago, Chris Thomas said:

You are right. Ronaldsway does not need to have the new scanners. It might though. Consideration underway and decision eventually.

 

6 minutes ago, quilp said:

What's does "It might though" indicate? What would be the reasoning? 

It’s inevitable. Driven by public demand. The rows there’ll be at security if Ronaldsway is the last airport standing with 100ml limits and plastic bags, demanding you open your hand luggage and confiscating stuff.

Plus, it should speed security. However incompetent and jobsworth security are, it’s the idiot passengers who haven’t a clue about packing and act surprised at having to bag liquids, remove IT, take off jackets, belts and boots, that cause the holdups. At any airport.

[TheTeapot]

Making people remove their belt is so stupid. Anyone who had anything to do with thinking up the policy, implementing the policy or even supporting the policy should be ashamed of themselves.

[Dirty Buggane]

4 minutes ago, John Wright said:

 However incompetent and jobsworth security are, it’s the idiot passengers who haven’t a clue about packing and act surprised at having to bag liquids, remove IT, take off jackets, belts and boots, that cause the holdups. At any airport.

And yet if one of the jobsworth security staff see the look of utter contempt you hold them in(no matter how well you try to hide it behind a veneer of bordom) will drag you out for a pat down and swab, just to inforce their power trip. Even if you have known them for years and wondered how the small stature allowed them a job on security front line in the first place. And have you noticed Liverpool whilst being a major airport runs there security with far less people, or is that the deal 50 staff a shift then fly them home for tea as no locals are available for the jobs. Are the English/european staff staying at the hotel across the road, if so (not sure it is mylcreests ) have a hell of a deal going with the govenment paying to keep the hotel half full. Non of this waffle has any foundation, and is just my own thoughts having free rein.

[asitis]

37 minutes ago, quilp said:

What's does "It might though" indicate? What would be the reasoning? 

It's other peoples money at a guess !

[mad_manx]

2 hours ago, Dirty Buggane said:

And yet if one of the jobsworth security staff see the look of utter contempt you hold them in(no matter how well you try to hide it behind a veneer of bordom) will drag you out for a pat down and swab, just to inforce their power trip. Even if you have known them for years and wondered how the small stature allowed them a job on security front line in the first place. And have you noticed Liverpool whilst being a major airport runs there security with far less people, or is that the deal 50 staff a shift then fly them home for tea as no locals are available for the jobs. Are the English/european staff staying at the hotel across the road, if so (not sure it is mylcreests ) have a hell of a deal going with the govenment paying to keep the hotel half full. Non of this waffle has any foundation, and is just my own thoughts having free rein.

They cannot drag you out for a pat down unless the metal detector bleeps. There are random triggers  built in which will trigger an alarm occasionally even if you are metal free and staff have no control over it . 

I fly very regularly between various airports in Europe and this is the same everywhere 

The luggage that you put in for x Ray screening   is a different matter .

Best thing is to remove every single bit of electronics out of the bag and also anything  which looks dodgy. ( chargers / wires etc ) and keep it in the tray 

My bag has only been selected once in around the last 20 trips ( there are random triggers  for this as well at some airports) 

A couple of things are different between airports and so it's always better to be safe . For example  as per the missus some airports are okay with lipsticks  in the hand luggage while others insist that it goes into the clear plastic bag. Even the solid ones ( the gel ones have to go into the liquids bag anyway ) can be a issue at some places.

So these days she tends to put all of these into the clear plastic bag .

Edited January 29, 2023 by mad_manx

[John Wright]

27 minutes ago, mad_manx said:

They cannot drag you out for a pat down unless the metal detector bleeps. There are random triggers  built in which will trigger an alarm occasionally even if you are metal free and staff have no control over it . 

I fly very regularly between various airports in Europe and this is the same everywhere 

The luggage that you put in for x Ray screening   is a different matter .

Best thing is to remove every single bit of electronics out of the bag and also anything  which looks dodgy. ( chargers / wires etc ) and keep it in the tray 

My bag has only been selected once in around the last 20 trips ( there are random triggers  for this as well at some airports) 

A couple of things are different between airports and so it's always better to be safe . For example  as per the missus some airports are okay with lipsticks  in the hand luggage while others insist that it goes into the clear plastic bag. Even the solid ones ( the gel ones have to go into the liquids bag anyway ) can be a issue at some places.

So these days she tends to put all of these into the clear plastic bag .

I get patted down. The swab tests done. And my chair subject to intense inspection. Every  trip.

Unconscious Disability discrimination? Or Justified.

[TheTeapot]

None of it is justified.

[Mysteron]

11 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

None of it is justified.

Criminals and terrorists have an irksome habit of exposing the flaws and weaknesses in any systems designed to protect the masses.  It's usually as a result of such criminal behaviours that the measures are introduced in the first place. 

What would you propose instead? 

 

[TheTeapot]

4 minutes ago, Mysteron said:

Criminals and terrorists have an irksome habit of exposing the flaws and weaknesses in any systems designed to protect the masses.  It's usually as a result of such criminal behaviours that the measures are introduced in the first place. 

What would you propose instead? 

 

How many pairs of shoes have been removed to prevent one hijacking? 

How many hours of queueing have stopped a bombing?

How many billion small plastic bags?

[offshoremanxman]

3 hours ago, quilp said:

What's does "It might though" indicate? What would be the reasoning? 

It “might” because the last time they didn’t get what they wanted with security equipment at Ronaldsway there were queues down to the end of the carpark of people trying to get flights. This is how the CS work. If you won’t fund our new toys we’ll just make things so awkward until we get what we want. 

[Mysteron]

2 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

How many pairs of shoes have been removed to prevent one hijacking? 

How many hours of queueing have stopped a bombing?

How many billion small plastic bags?

Your reasoning would suggest that you'd be content with some atrocities occurring, instead of having measures in place designed to prevent them.

Maybe the measures in place have prevented the atrocities you mention.  We'll never know.  Thankfully.

 

[TheTeapot]

3 minutes ago, Mysteron said:

Your reasoning would suggest that you'd be content with some atrocities occurring, instead of having measures in place designed to prevent them.

Maybe the measures in place have prevented the atrocities you mention.  We'll never know.  Thankfully.

No, that would be your imagination suggesting that. 

7? years ago the government spent £2.5m building the Great Wall of Castletown to prevent flooding, and guess what, it hasn't flooded since!! Must be the wall right?

Challenge yourself.