Airport.

[cissolt]

12 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

But during the previous couple of years there had been no parking charges at all, due to Covid and the DoI's inability to buy a can of WD-40.  And people had been parking there as long as they wanted during that time.  And even now there doesn't seem to be anything indicating a maximum stay - just a maximum charge of £60.  They were so keen to tell everyone how wonderful their new app was that they forgot to close all the loopholes.

Did we ever find out the cost of the app and how much the doi make from parking?  Or is it the same as the TT steaming where we don't need to know the details?

[The Voice of Reason]

2 hours ago, Nellie said:

There may be some issues over whether the signage is 100% compliant and legal, but morally, she’s in the wrong.

 

She is only morally in the wrong if she was attempting to avoid parking charges for her car whilst she was away on holiday.

[Two-lane]

So what's the deal with this seizing and disposing of of assets for various outstanding debts? In this car the car does not owe the money, the car's owner does but the coroner sells the car to pay off the debt - simply because the car is available. But what if the car runs up a parking bill, then car somehow disappears, does the coroner seize the car owner's house and sell it?

And again, is it reasonable to seize and sell a multi-thousand pound car to settle as £120 parking bill?

[2bees]

4 hours ago, Roxanne said:

In the video, she says it was six months. 

Erm, what are you doing here? 😂 ye are funny x 

 

4 hours ago, Amadeus said:

Fair to say someone needs to get fired over this but as always won’t. They’ll deny everything as usual. 

Shut up! People make mistakes, checks were missed, no one died and even if they had it wouldn’t be comparable because it’s nothing that can’t be fixed - simply! She should pay her parking costs, DOI should buy the car car back from the auction people/purchaser, the purchaser has already said she can have the car back. She  can suck up the loss of her coats and shit for being off island. 
 

 

[The Voice of Reason]

15 minutes ago, 2bees said:

Erm, what are you doing here? 😂 ye are funny x 

 

Shut up! People make mistakes, checks were missed, no one died and even if they had it wouldn’t be comparable because it’s nothing that can’t be fixed 
 

How do you fix people dying?

[Mercenary]

30 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

And again, is it reasonable to seize and sell a multi-thousand pound car to settle as £120 parking bill?

Yes?

 

They wrote to her (presumably many times) and left notes on the car, what more can they do to contact. There is no indication she will come back at any point if you have not heard from her for 6 months. We would be criticising DOI for not removing cars littered with yellow stickers and left abandoned in the car park for months on end (for good reason) - it's a controlled car park not on street and it's a pain for everyone else when it's clogged up.

 

What's the alternative - they toe it to somewhere else and pay £50/week storage at our expense?

 

When would you remove it - 1 year? 2 year? Once it has decomposed naturally at a rate of 0.1mm per year?

[Roger Mexico]

1 hour ago, cissolt said:

Did we ever find out the cost of the app and how much the doi make from parking?  Or is it the same as the TT steaming where we don't need to know the details?

There was some information I could find in an FoI with the information up to the end of last September

 Airport Parking FoI to end Sep 2022.pdf

(Uploaded because of servlet problem)

Though you will be shocked to discover that asked: 4. How much has Ring Go been paid for the service.

[...] the information is exempt from disclosure under section 30 of the Act as disclosure would be likely to prejudice the economic interests of the island.

[CallMeCurious]

17 minutes ago, Mercenary said:

Yes?

 

They wrote to her (presumably many times) and left notes on the car, what more can they do to contact. There is no indication she will come back at any point if you have not heard from her for 6 months. We would be criticising DOI for not removing cars littered with yellow stickers and left abandoned in the car park for months on end (for good reason) - it's a controlled car park not on street and it's a pain for everyone else when it's clogged up.

 

What's the alternative - they toe it to somewhere else and pay £50/week storage at our expense?

 

When would you remove it - 1 year? 2 year? Once it has decomposed naturally at a rate of 0.1mm per year?

Simple. Once it is no longer road legal (either uninsured or untaxed) then remove it to a distant part of the car park that no-one uses and if it isn't claimed after paying the outstanding fines then auction or destroy it.
The whole point of parking charges and fines should be to keep as many spaces available as possible for the airport users. If signage clearly states the maximum stay permitted in the area then it could be removed after that period has expired (even basing it on the time the first ticket was issued).
And as for storage fees, if there were any, then as soon as they exceed the value of the car, there is no point in keeping it any longer.
 

[CallMeCurious]

5 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

There was some information I could find in an FoI with the information up to the end of last September

  Airport Parking FoI to end Sep 2022.pdf 220.1 kB · 0 downloads

(Uploaded because of servlet problem)

Though you will be shocked to discover that asked: 4. How much has Ring Go been paid for the service.

[...] the information is exempt from disclosure under section 30 of the Act as disclosure would be likely to prejudice the economic interests of the island.

So 7.6% non-app paying £13k makes it about £175k over 5 months allowing the same rate for the other 92.4%. So approximately £420k per year from around 17,400 users. Or £1,150 a day. 
Hopefully Ring Go should be costing substantially less than that, which might help pay for some of the car park maintenance.
 
 

[2bees]

5 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

How do you fix people dying?

You don’t, that is why it isn’t comparable.

[asitis]

On 3/3/2023 at 2:47 PM, 2112 said:

It seems that Ronaldsway Airport is on a major recruitment drive, in particular Managers, Head of Passenger Operations, Commercial Director, Operations Director. The Airport is now run like the Steam Packet at arms length. So when there are major problems, expect lots of handwringing from Minister Thomas. As it’s arms length, why are these roles funded by the taxpayers? Couldn’t the airport sustain salaries as a commercial enterprise? 

There is no wonder the place costs the public purse so much money, just how many senior roles does it take to run a small island airport ? or are we still suffering from the "Heathrow on Sea" syndrome.

We already have head of ATC, head of security, no doubt a senior fire officer and the regulators are next door doing their job. This seems to be a case of the upside down pyramid again.

We have had serial incompetents in charge and that doesn't look to be changing anytime soon.

[Gladys]

12 hours ago, Nellie said:

 

There may be some issues over whether the signage is 100% compliant and legal, but morally, she’s in the wrong.

 

It is purely a legal matter, not a moral one.  The simplest thing will be for DOI to point out the law that enabled them to seize and sell the car. Simples.

 

[WTF]

13 hours ago, Two-lane said:

 

As a theoretical example, I go skiing, leave my brand-new EV Tesla at the airport, end up in a Swiss hospital for a few months, arrive back and find the coroner has sold off my car for a pittance in order to recover £120 of car park fees.

 

 

a question to be asked is who bought the car and how well ( if at all ) they knew the person selling the car to recover the alleged debt.

[SuperHans]

13 hours ago, Two-lane said:

As a theoretical example, I go skiing, leave my brand-new EV Tesla at the airport, end up in a Swiss hospital for a few months, arrive back and find the coroner has sold off my car for a pittance in order to recover £120 of car park fees.

This is the real issue for me really. Anyone could potentially go on holiday and get injured and end up for whatever reason not being able to read letters sent for months. This smacks of yet more revenue generation from a desperate department to me. Looks like they’ve done ok out of this too with £1400 (net of coroners & auction fees) to recover a £60 debt. That’s literally stealing money off someone. I went back through the last few auction listings last night. There’s certainly been a lot of seized vehicles sold in the last few months. 

[Sentience]

9 hours ago, Mercenary said:

Yes?

 

They wrote to her (presumably many times) and left notes on the car, what more can they do to contact. There is no indication she will come back at any point if you have not heard from her for 6 months. We would be criticising DOI for not removing cars littered with yellow stickers and left abandoned in the car park for months on end (for good reason) - it's a controlled car park not on street and it's a pain for everyone else when it's clogged up.

 

What's the alternative - they toe it to somewhere else and pay £50/week storage at our expense?

 

When would you remove it - 1 year? 2 year? Once it has decomposed naturally at a rate of 0.1mm per year?

There must be a whole department somewhere whose sole directive is to monitor this and other forums (of honest and obvious discontent) and setup a 'handle' to painstakingly defend what are very obviously the usual bad decisions.

The one constant here, from all the 'authorities', is the amazing ability to 'constantly' NOT make any logical or sensible decisions. AND to make sure no-one is held responsible when things, as usual simply, expectedly go 'tits-up' at the taxpayers expense.