Amadeus Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, John Wright said: Long Stay is 35801. Same defect. Same screens throughout app for this one as well. No mention of any terms, overstay penalties, etc. nada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, Amadeus said: I can’t see any Terms being listed anywhere in the app when I try to book. Doesn’t even say “by clicking Pay you agree yadyada”. Also doesn’t say car will be towed and sold if you overstay. These are all the screens a user will come across when using the app for 35800. I still prefer the old ways. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 1 hour ago, John Wright said: Interestingly that’s the short stay car park. Does the long stay have a different code? Plus, 3 months is 13 weeks, not 12. So the fee list is wrong. Presumably using 4 weeks to a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 12 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: Presumably using 4 weeks to a month. But you can pay for 3 months, but maximum stay is 12 weeks… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 What is the meaning of the phrase "maximum stay"? Is it like the rules for normal street parking of 2 hours - after the 93 days you have to move the car and drive around a roundabout for an hour or so, then return to the car park and pay for for another 93 days? Is it allowed, after the 93 days, to go directly from Long Stay Car Park 1 to Long Stay Car Park 2 without the roundabout deal? If the max. has been paid for but the car is moved from the car park during that time, is the ticket invalidated on exit from the car park? If coming and going is permitted during the 93 days, and on return finding that Long Stay Car Park1 is full, can one use Long Stay Car Park2 on the same ticket? We need to know these things. Where is Chris Thomas when you need him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 9 hours ago, Two-lane said: What is the meaning of the phrase "maximum stay"? Is it like the rules for normal street parking of 2 hours - after the 93 days you have to move the car and drive around a roundabout for an hour or so, then return to the car park and pay for for another 93 days? Is it allowed, after the 93 days, to go directly from Long Stay Car Park 1 to Long Stay Car Park 2 without the roundabout deal? If the max. has been paid for but the car is moved from the car park during that time, is the ticket invalidated on exit from the car park? If coming and going is permitted during the 93 days, and on return finding that Long Stay Car Park1 is full, can one use Long Stay Car Park2 on the same ticket? We need to know these things. Where is Chris Thomas when you need him? All of these questions are the questions that need to be asked at the beginning of a project by the people instigating the project. It seems that during the planning stage of any government project that no one actually sits down and asks themselves, 'what might go wrong?'. This is the job of any project manager. To dissect and go through proposed regulations to make sure they are clearly understood but also to work through any possible ambiguity. Grass roots level stuff that's so necessary to ensure that someway down the line things don't go tits up - a bit like they appear to be doing now. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 10 hours ago, John Wright said: But you can pay for 3 months, but maximum stay is 12 weeks… As I say it looks like they are simply treating a month as being 4 weeks in length. Of course that's a simplification but a fairly common one. I would have to look to a legal expert to know for sure how well they could apply this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 The two car parks are separate, with ( slightly ) different fees. So pay is specific to the one you pay for. Although after 2 weeks you hit the maximum. 11 hours ago, Two-lane said: What is the meaning of the phrase "maximum stay"? Is it like the rules for normal street parking of 2 hours - after the 93 days you have to move the car and drive around a roundabout for an hour or so, then return to the car park and pay for for another 93 days? Is it allowed, after the 93 days, to go directly from Long Stay Car Park 1 to Long Stay Car Park 2 without the roundabout deal? If the max. has been paid for but the car is moved from the car park during that time, is the ticket invalidated on exit from the car park? If coming and going is permitted during the 93 days, and on return finding that Long Stay Car Park1 is full, can one use Long Stay Car Park2 on the same ticket? We need to know these things. Where is Chris Thomas when you need him? 2 hours ago, Roxanne said: All of these questions are the questions that need to be asked at the beginning of a project by the people instigating the project. It seems that during the planning stage of any government project that no one actually sits down and asks themselves, 'what might go wrong?'. This is the job of any project manager. To dissect and go through proposed regulations to make sure they are clearly understood but also to work through any possible ambiguity. Grass roots level stuff that's so necessary to ensure that someway down the line things don't go tits up - a bit like they appear to be doing now. 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: As I say it looks like they are simply treating a month as being 4 weeks in length. Of course that's a simplification but a fairly common one. I would have to look to a legal expert to know for sure how well they could apply this. There appears to be no “no return within” restriction. Indeed the tariffs specifically say you can renew/extend within the period you’ve originally paid for. Of maybe not. Perhaps after 12 weeks you can pay for one additional week. Max stay has two different quantitative periods. It’s a mess. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 3 hours ago, Roxanne said: All of these questions are the questions that need to be asked at the beginning of a project by the people instigating the project. It seems that during the planning stage of any government project that no one actually sits down and asks themselves, 'what might go wrong?'. Actually they all have yet another interminable meeting where they ask themselves: "What could possibly go wrong...?" Needless to say everyone finds the answer to that question when the project hits the real world... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 13 hours ago, Two-lane said: What is the meaning of the phrase "maximum stay"? Is it like the rules for normal street parking of 2 hours - after the 93 days you have to move the car and drive around a roundabout for an hour or so, then return to the car park and pay for for another 93 days? Is it allowed, after the 93 days, to go directly from Long Stay Car Park 1 to Long Stay Car Park 2 without the roundabout deal? If the max. has been paid for but the car is moved from the car park during that time, is the ticket invalidated on exit from the car park? If coming and going is permitted during the 93 days, and on return finding that Long Stay Car Park1 is full, can one use Long Stay Car Park2 on the same ticket? We need to know these things. Where is Chris Thomas when you need him? Most parking limits have something like no return within 24 hours or some such clause (disc zone is usually no return to the same zone within 1 hour to stop disc spinners). Entirely possible it has been overlooked in the rush to get something done once it became a hot potato. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 4 hours ago, Roxanne said: All of these questions are the questions that need to be asked at the beginning of a project by the people instigating the project. It seems that during the planning stage of any government project that no one actually sits down and asks themselves, 'what might go wrong?'. This is the job of any project manager. To dissect and go through proposed regulations to make sure they are clearly understood but also to work through any possible ambiguity. Grass roots level stuff that's so necessary to ensure that someway down the line things don't go tits up - a bit like they appear to be doing now. It's baffling that a lot of us pick up on potential problems when these things are mooted but the folk who are paid to do so seem to be oblivious. Maybe the people who accuse us of crab syndrome or of always moaning can justify this anamoly? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 16 hours ago, Amadeus said: Same screens throughout app for this one as well. No mention of any terms, overstay penalties, etc. nada. Or auction fees🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Steve Babb has sold the car back to the errant parker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperHans Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, John Wright said: Steve Babb has sold the car back to the errant parker. But if it’s been de registered she’s lost her mums private plate and will have to pay to put it back through Manx test. Nice extra bunce for Government too which will get £1500 for putting the number back in the pool for someone else to buy at their standard tariff. So nearly three grand off a £60 parking fee. Surely the resolution was in the hands of the DOI not relying on a buyer turning out to be a decent person? Edited March 7, 2023 by SuperHans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 It clearly says at the car parks that if you need to stay longer then please extend on app or contact airport. All this woman had to do was pick up the phone & explain position & pay to extend stay. Any airport across Uk would have removed car if it had been left for 6 months 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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