IOM Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, NoTailT said: I think if Aurigny became part of e.g. Eastern but the operation losses funded by Guernsey, it'd be a very different story. Just commercially, as we know from our own experiences, Gov run anything is never done commercially sensible. Wonder if Jez travelled up from Heathrow to Liverpool for a freebie on Loganair? Hardly many other options with a once a day flight to London ! Goes to show a lot of the Liverpool traffic is people heading on to London and demonstrates the demand is there . What a ridiculous state of affairs ! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 2 hours ago, snowman said: They got lucky LOL !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 hours ago, James Blonde said: Do you know the background of Eastern? They have been loss making for years and are propped up by the money of a millionaire (Richard Lake). Combining them would be like merging the MEA and the Water Authority! And electric and water don't mix! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/cutting-air-passenger-duty-would-cost-2-million/ DfE to review openskies.. again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, NoTailT said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/cutting-air-passenger-duty-would-cost-2-million/ DfE to review openskies.. again. One wonders what environmental projects this £2M "environmental tax" take has been getting expended on since its introduction and where would its rescinding actually impact upon? I'm going to wager "none" and "salaries and pensions". 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 On 11/9/2021 at 2:52 PM, Non-Believer said: One wonders what environmental projects this £2M "environmental tax" take has been getting expended on since its introduction and where would its rescinding actually impact upon? I'm going to wager "none" and "salaries and pensions". See Boy David spouting If I was a betting man I would say that would be absorbed into the airline's operating costs, rather than passed on to the consumer Yes David but we'll never know now will we. Even if it was 10% chance of getting it passed on to the consumer that is better than your offer of 0% chance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 11/9/2021 at 2:41 PM, NoTailT said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/cutting-air-passenger-duty-would-cost-2-million/ DfE to review openskies.. again. They have reviewed this many times, it is clear to everyone, that applying a position which mirrors that of airports with large catchment areas and many destinations, needs some modification for a small island airport with limited traffic. Hopefully, the people who think we are having 2 million passengers per annum, and are going to be a hub, will be told to get a reality check ! We need to strive to be the best at what we are, and stop dreaming of large jets and millions of people. As air transport is in the throes of a major shake up worldwide it is perhaps a good time for some thinking which acknowledges we are a niche market and seeks to cater to that ! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 I refer you to Jersey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 29 minutes ago, snowman said: I refer you to Jersey In what way ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 50 minutes ago, snowman said: I refer you to Jersey we aren't as comparable to Jersey as some people like to make out and copying them probably won't work for us in many areas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, WTF said: we aren't as comparable to Jersey as some people like to make out and copying them probably won't work for us in many areas. Jersey has a viable tourism industry for starters. We don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 hour ago, James Blonde said: Jersey has a viable tourism industry for starters. We don't. and vat differences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 hour ago, James Blonde said: Jersey has a viable tourism industry for starters. We don't. oh, and a government with a clue. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Apologies for format. We're not getting an APD reduction, 'twould appear... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 In the Keys Questions last week, referred to above, as well as (sensibly) saying that a Manx APD cut wouldn't make any difference, Allinson also let slip that the DfE are up to their old fantasies again: I can reassure the Hon. Member, and this Hon. House, that the Isle of Man Visit Agency has a very strong policy and strategy going forward, both to rebuild the reduction of numbers caused by the coronavirus pandemic and the shutdown of the aviation industry, and the travel industry as a whole, over the last 18 months; but also to grow the visitor economy and meet the aspiration of having 500,000 visitors coming to our Island by 2032. To put this in context, the last year for which we have information about number of visitors was 2018: During 2018, there were 170,450 visitors who departed by air, and 137,813 visitors who departed by sea. Total visitors during the period amounted to 308,263. [...], there were 145,738 passengers staying in paid accommodation on the Island [PVPA], 98,910 staying with friends or family [VFR], 59,565 business visitors [BV] and 4,051 day trippers [DV]. Now as we have discussed before business travel has been in decline for many years, even before Covid, and day trips never have amounted to much for obvious reasons. Similarly if you look at the tables you can see that the VFR total has remained between 100 and 110 thousand over the previous decade (though with a switch from sea to air). This makes sense, if population is relatively steady the number of friends and relatives people have off-Island will as well. Let's be generous and estimate that all these remain steady as they have in the (in reality at best a drop in BV will be compensated by a rise in VFR). Say BV 60k + DV 5k + VFR 100k, to give a total of 165k. If we are to have 500k visitors in 2032, that means the number of PVPA will have to rise to 335k -well over twice the 2018 total (146k), never mind the post-Covid recovery required. And of those 2018 PVPA visitors about 38,000 were for TT (about a quarter). Assuming TT is already at capacity (it can only be done with about 40% camping and 20% Homestay at the moment), that means an increase in non-TT visitors from 108k to 297k - they are claiming they can nearly treble to number coming to the Island in those other 50 weeks in a decade. Where will they all stay, to make the obvious point. Obviously this is just back of the envelope stuff, but it's an envelope that no one seems to be looking at. Allinson really needs to get a grip on this fantasyland and stop them feeding him such nonsense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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