lcd Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 53 minutes ago, Cinderella said: Key airport issues and challenges: 1. Technical/equipment - won’t pretend to understand the landing system issues,but the bottom line seems to be under investment over many years. As the islands only airport, this is dangerous and unacceptable 2. staffing and management: airport needs a leader whois NOT there simplyas a quick stepping stone. This is not an asset to be drowned in management plans and speak, with the author then doing a runner 3. Services - Manx people are pragmatic - they don’t expect the bells and whistles of a large airport. However, they do need reliable baggage services, modern security, adequate waiting areas in departure (current offering is simply awful) - especially as the island does get weather delays - and reasonable refreshment (egcoffee) 4. Auxilliary services are not rocket science - usable parking and bus services 5. Information- hiving the airport website off to an ad agency was simply stupid decision and means it fails basic flight info bar. (and have they made any money on it???) 6. Public ownership with governance accountability.even the whiff of privatisation should send shivers through residents. The airport is an essential service - that is what government and taxes are for. However you can already see the ‘softening up’ for hiving it off But are Manx residents willing to stand up and be counted on all of this? The best post I've seen in a while. Spot on on all counts. There could be some money made in commercial activity, but it will be limited and is highly unlikely to ever override the need for subvention. It could also be managed without all the wasted effort in becoming "arm's length" . As you say, the Islands population are pragmatic, all that's needed is an airport thanks technically "works" and is properly staffed (at coalface level) and can service the people in all reasonable weather conditions. Nothing more is necessary. Too many years have passed where the basics have been ignored at the expense of ridiculous unnecessary items. It has to stop, but I don't see it happening with this report going to Tynwald..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcd Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cinderella said: Edited March 17, 2023 by lcd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 sadly the report has been put together largely with the input of failed management and politicians , who now appear to want to wash their hands of everything , and like some other recently hived off areas , put it in a position where any questions are automatically deemed commercially confidential , our airport is a vital link and it should not be beyond the wit of man to run it in a cost effective and efficient manner , the council if ministers and chief officers group should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 3 hours ago, TheTeapot said: Isn't what you're describing the 'airport technology gateway'? Probably, seems to have stalled if it was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 10 easyJet flights today. Must be a record. Departure lounge will be bedlam this afternoon. Standing room only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 37 minutes ago, snowman said: 10 easyJet flights today. Must be a record. Departure lounge will be bedlam this afternoon. Standing room only. I hope they all get away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Roxanne said: I hope they all get away. I hope they land 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, snowman said: 10 easyJet flights today. Must be a record. Departure lounge will be bedlam this afternoon. Standing room only. Some are the delayed ones from yesterday, flights seem to be landing now & it does seem brighter than earlier when the Liverpool was circling for 25/30 minutes first Gatwick just landed Edited March 17, 2023 by Banker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinderella Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 My final airport thought: I first flew in there about 40 years ago. I remember sitting in the old terminal for hours due to early morning ‘fog’ and delays. What we have now is not new weather phenomenon. But in four decades very little seems to have been done to address the impact. Hard to believe in an era of many advances … 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, Cinderella said: My final airport thought: I first flew in there about 40 years ago. I remember sitting in the old terminal for hours due to early morning ‘fog’ and delays. What we have now is not new weather phenomenon. But in four decades very little seems to have been done to address the impact. Hard to believe in an era of many advances … We haven't had any advance in management for a long time, just incompetent buffoons , nothing changes ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 13 hours ago, Ringy Rose said: I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head there. Perhaps you might squeeze a bit more out of the Costa franchisee, but beyond that, I'm not seeing a great deal of scope for development. A change to an arms-length company would give lots of juicy fat consultancy fees to Cannan's mates at Beamans though. Agreed. There's zero room for any serious development resulting in sustainable revenue/profit. There just isn't the volume of passengers. People are only at the airport for one thing.... transport. It's not a shopping centre or a garden centre with a coffee shop. If we must spend money over and above the essential avionics infrastructure then it should be on developing and extending the passenger terminal out to where the outdoor walkway is to the aprons, with departure areas immediately below each gate in the lounge. The current passenger experience is dire and depressing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Agreed. There's zero room for any serious development resulting in sustainable revenue/profit. There just isn't the volume of passengers. People are only at the airport for one thing.... transport. It's not a shopping centre or a garden centre with a coffee shop. If we must spend money over and above the essential avionics infrastructure then it should be on developing and extending the passenger terminal out to where the outdoor walkway is to the aprons, with departure areas immediately below each gate in the lounge. The current passenger experience is dire and depressing. Other comparable airports take much more in retail sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 the gantry approach lights in Santon bay helped in poor weather , but for some reason something that was effective not hight tech , and worked for years was discontinued following the millions spent on the new runway zones , if you look what government have frittered away on the airport in the last few years and getting rid of workers who had some pride and understanding about the the place ,with the proper effective management we could have had a fantastic facility , instead its a basket case ! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Maybe we should get some Gatwick managers in on secondment. This place is consistently good now and clearly has competent leadership. Consistent and efficient processes everywhere make it easy and quite nice to use. Royston Vasey International on the other hand seems rudderless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said: Other comparable airports take much more in retail sales. We need to compare like with like. Other island airports with a similar population and connections. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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