Roxanne Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 This whole thread is such an informative and depressing indictment of government public service. The airport situation is even worse than the cluskterfuck that is Douglas Promenade. What’s the answer? Is there an answer? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Roxanne said: This whole thread is such an informative and depressing indictment of government public service. The airport situation is even worse than the cluskterfuck that is Douglas Promenade. What’s the answer? Is there an answer? IMHO the problem here is that critical decisions are often made without there being enough expertise at hand to scrutinise and challenge the rationale behind them. Where this expertise is available, it is frequently ignored by the decision makers who seem far too keen to protect themselves from perceived challenges to their authority at the expense of the greater good. 6 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 minute ago, madmanxpilot said: IMHO the problem here is that critical decisions are often made without there being enough expertise at hand to scrutinise and challenge the rationale behind them. Where this expertise is available, it is frequently ignored by the decision makers who seem far too keen to protect themselves from perceived challenges to their authority at the expense of the greater good. This seems to be a common theme in government. Elected officials too ‘proud’ too ‘egotistical’ to be able to put their emotions to one side in order to gather information from those who know. It’s hugely frustrating. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, madmanxpilot said: IMHO the problem here is that critical decisions are often made without there being enough expertise at hand to scrutinise and challenge the rationale behind them. Where this expertise is available, it is frequently ignored by the decision makers who seem far too keen to protect themselves from perceived challenges to their authority at the expense of the greater good. If the airport was truly made to run on a commercial footing there would most certainly be a culling of CS who abound in the place ! The two posts above from MMP and Rox sum up the situation perfectly and have done for many years ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 10 hours ago, Cambon said: Sorry, but I don’t think the lighting was downgraded. It is pretty much the same as it was before the runway extension. Yes, it should have been upgraded, even if just to the end of the extension. But it was not downgraded. I'm sorry but you are wrong, the loss of the gantry was the nail in the coffin for the intermediate category. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, madmanxpilot said: IMHO the problem here is that critical decisions are often made without there being enough expertise at hand to scrutinise and challenge the rationale behind them. Where this expertise is available, it is frequently ignored by the decision makers who seem far too keen to protect themselves from perceived challenges to their authority at the expense of the greater good. Manx Care, in a nutshell: “why would we need to ask front-line doctors and nurses what needs to be done? We have a Board of ex-managers, HR types and political appointees to make all these critical decisions!” 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 2 hours ago, madmanxpilot said: After the extension was built they didn’t extend out as far and fell into basic category - BALS - allowing for approaches in only 1000 metres. So another typical BALS-UP from IOMG. MMPilot, thank you for your informative posts in this thread. You bring much needed clarity to a very foggy (given the lack of government transparency) subject. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Zarley said: So another typical BALS-UP from IOMG. MMPilot, thank you for your informative posts in this thread. You bring much needed clarity to a very foggy (given the lack of government transparency) subject. You are most welcome. I and a number of fellow aviators have reached out from behind our MF non de plumes but have effectively been ignored. As I said earlier, perhaps it’s time for a more coordinated approach. Edited April 30, 2023 by madmanxpilot 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 16 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: How can anyone who is paid to run an airport be that stupid? They are all ego driven, not driven by common sense, and the ability to accept that they know nothing about the operational side of flying an aircraft in poor visibility ! They all love masterplans and development and shiny new things but forget the basic requirements of an airport ! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 We are where we are because Ann Reynolds perceived anyone with knowledge and expertise to be a threat to her authority, and made sure they were excluded from decision making. And if the clusterfuck at HIAL is anything to go by, we’ve simply gone and appointed another Reynolds. Remote towers on remote islands are a stupid idea, everyone told him they were a stupid idea, but he did it anyway. £9m later, turns out it was a stupid idea. Meanwhile, looking out of my window I’d be amazed if many flights go today. But Chris Thomas has listened to Cobb and they have a plan. It’s all about the retail opportunities. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, asitis said: They are all ego driven, not driven by common sense, and the ability to accept that they know nothing about the operational side of flying an aircraft in poor visibility ! They all love masterplans and development and shiny new things but forget the basic requirements of an airport ! Exactly. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: But Chris Thomas has listened to Cobb and they have a plan. It’s all about the retail opportunities. Well you do need loads of retail opportunities in an airport where you can’t fly anywhere from to kill the time. Maybe this is the plan? Like that Bill Murray film where he was trapped in the airport for a year? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper99 Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Looks as tho the UK has safety concerns 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistercee Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Kipper99 said: Looks as tho the UK has safety concerns No doubt Reynolds and Sprake will be bidding for this job through their "consultancy business" - they are after all international airline business experts. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 https://www.contractsfinder.service.gov.uk/Notice/b10466a9-a538-4837-8e84-1ad6d38beb33 Are they contracting out the work, or has there never been a safety audit before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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