Airport.

[english zloty]

So for those here who know stuff how long is the Manchester flight likely to be two hours delayed and why don’t the airport show delayed on future flights 

what I mean is the 7.30 is delayed until 9.15 out and is already showing delayed back and I would guess for a 35 minute flight by about 2 hours still. But then the next flight is showing on time (which it can’t be) 

this is the third day now. Not much fun and certainly not if you have linked transport 🤨

[John Wright]

3 minutes ago, english zloty said:

So for those here who know stuff how long is the Manchester flight likely to be two hours delayed and why don’t the airport show delayed on future flights 

what I mean is the 7.30 is delayed until 9.15 out and is already showing delayed back and I would guess for a 35 minute flight by about 2 hours still. But then the next flight is showing on time (which it can’t be) 

this is the third day now. Not much fun and certainly not if you have linked transport 🤨

First, the airport web site arrivals and departure boards are unfit for purpose. There is no rhyme or reason for the info posted there and then not updated.

Second, the airport is dependant on info supplied by the airlines, who May not declare a delay on later planes as they may cancel the earlier rotation and the later rotation can then go on time ( only one lot of compensation payable ).

I’d use a flight board app or look at Manchester departures and arrivals for more accurate information.

[Nellie]

21 minutes ago, english zloty said:

So for those here who know stuff how long is the Manchester flight likely to be two hours delayed and why don’t the airport show delayed on future flights 

what I mean is the 7.30 is delayed until 9.15 out and is already showing delayed back and I would guess for a 35 minute flight by about 2 hours still. But then the next flight is showing on time (which it can’t be) 

this is the third day now. Not much fun and certainly not if you have linked transport 🤨

Loganair have been an aircraft down since Saturday morning - three days. The one operational one they have went to LPL at 7.00 and it is then planned to go to MAN at 9.25. Assuming it gets back from LPL on schedule, the MAN should go at the revised time of 9.25. As you say, the return from MAN will obviously be delayed too, by around 2 hours. Hope this helps.

The Airport website is clearly unfit for purpose. Use Flightradar24 (https://www.flightradar24.com/airport/iom/departures) which takes data from flight plans filed and live information, for much more accurate info.

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Nellie

[NoTailT]

3 hours ago, Nellie said:

Loganair have been an aircraft down since Saturday morning - three days. The one operational one they have went to LPL at 7.00 and it is then planned to go to MAN at 9.25. Assuming it gets back from LPL on schedule, the MAN should go at the revised time of 9.25. As you say, the return from MAN will obviously be delayed too, by around 2 hours. Hope this helps.

The Airport website is clearly unfit for purpose. Use Flightradar24 (https://www.flightradar24.com/airport/iom/departures) which takes data from flight plans filed and live information, for much more accurate info.

 

The IOM-MAN aircraft is currently doing MAN-NQY-MAN. So there is no immediate return. Seems to be running with approx 1hr 45min delay at the moment. But almost guaranteed to be further delayed coming back from NQY.

[english zloty]

3 hours ago, Nellie said:

Loganair have been an aircraft down since Saturday morning - three days. The one operational one they have went to LPL at 7.00 and it is then planned to go to MAN at 9.25. Assuming it gets back from LPL on schedule, the MAN should go at the revised time of 9.25. As you say, the return from MAN will obviously be delayed too, by around 2 hours. Hope this helps.

The Airport website is clearly unfit for purpose. Use Flightradar24 (https://www.flightradar24.com/airport/iom/departures) which takes data from flight plans filed and live information, for much more accurate info.

 

thank you - very helpful

Yes i binned off the gov site (it's rubbish) and use the airlines or flightradar app.

it just seems daft to have folk having to turn up over an hour and a half before the plane will actually fly. So in effect 2.5-3.0 hours for 35 minute flight?

the information in Manc yesterday was delayed (30 mins in time) then further update expected (1 hour after due time) then expected to board (2 hours after due time)

people here will have got up the crack of dawn, used their Rigno etc this morning with no possible chance of getting off on time (especially with the sparse information because Logan were showing the delay last evening but iom site was showing on time ).

why can't they just fess up that they're running late until they fix the plane?

[english zloty]

4 hours ago, John Wright said:

First, the airport web site arrivals and departure boards are unfit for purpose. There is no rhyme or reason for the info posted there and then not updated.

Second, the airport is dependant on info supplied by the airlines, who May not declare a delay on later planes as they may cancel the earlier rotation and the later rotation can then go on time ( only one lot of compensation payable ).

I’d use a flight board app or look at Manchester departures and arrivals for more accurate information.

thank you - see above i use the Apps (it doesn't mean others do though)

i think an eventual cancellation somewhere in the system is the only way to catch back the time on such short flights. Either that or it's going to remain delayed incrementally for a while yet

[John Wright]

3 minutes ago, english zloty said:

why can't they just fess up that they're running late until they fix the plane?

Because they don’t know when they’ll get the other plane back and running. No plane or ferry or other form of public transport ever cancels until the last minute they can. They always hope they’ll catch up, the repairs will be done, etc. That’s why they want you there. So that if a miracle does happen they can go

[english zloty]

1 minute ago, John Wright said:

Because they don’t know when they’ll get the other plane back and running. No plane or ferry or other form of public transport ever cancels until the last minute they can. They always hope they’ll catch up, the repairs will be done, etc. That’s why they want you there. So that if a miracle does happen they can go

yeah but the steam packet do at least PR there is a problem with an engine or whatever

[John Wright]

3 minutes ago, english zloty said:

yeah but the steam packet do at least PR there is a problem with an engine or whatever

But they actually only ever take a decision at 05.30 for the 08.45 or 18.00 for the 19.45 sailings, each day. Obviously if a ferry is going into dry dock they have fixed dates.

If there’s a mechanical issue in service they try to repair en route or between sailings. 

It’s exactly the same.

[NoTailT]

39 minutes ago, John Wright said:

But they actually only ever take a decision at 05.30 for the 08.45 or 18.00 for the 19.45 sailings, each day. Obviously if a ferry is going into dry dock they have fixed dates.

If there’s a mechanical issue in service they try to repair en route or between sailings. 

It’s exactly the same.

By comparison can you imagine a pilot saying to an aircraft full of people: due to technical problems, we will only be operating on one engine today.

Much easier on a boat to deal with things and keep moving than a plane.

[cheesypeas]

1 hour ago, english zloty said:

thank you - very helpful

Yes i binned off the gov site (it's rubbish) and use the airlines or flightradar app.

it just seems daft to have folk having to turn up over an hour and a half before the plane will actually fly. So in effect 2.5-3.0 hours for 35 minute flight?

the information in Manc yesterday was delayed (30 mins in time) then further update expected (1 hour after due time) then expected to board (2 hours after due time)

people here will have got up the crack of dawn, used their Rigno etc this morning with no possible chance of getting off on time (especially with the sparse information because Logan were showing the delay last evening but iom site was showing on time ).

why can't they just fess up that they're running late until they fix the plane?

Drafted another plane in from Aberdeen ( currently doing LHR flight)

[Nellie]

1 minute ago, cheesypeas said:

Drafted another plane in from Aberdeen ( currently doing LHR flight)

Indeed they did. It only took them three days, and around a dozen cancelled flights, before they realised what needed to be done. It's an utter disgrace that DoI and DoE have got themselves locked into a relationship with such a crap airline. 

[cheesypeas]

25 minutes ago, Nellie said:

Indeed they did. It only took them three days, and around a dozen cancelled flights, before they realised what needed to be done. It's an utter disgrace that DoI and DoE have got themselves locked into a relationship with such a crap airline. 

Presumably over a Bank holiday weekend, they didn't have any spare aircraft. We're hardly a priority (it appears).

[Ativa]

29 minutes ago, Nellie said:

Indeed they did. It only took them three days, and around a dozen cancelled flights, before they realised what needed to be done. It's an utter disgrace that DoI and DoE have got themselves locked into a relationship with such a crap airline. 

Yep.  Should have just gone to Planes R Us and picked one up.  There must be thousands spare sitting doing nothing on one of the busiest weekends of the year 🙄

[IOM]

39 minutes ago, Nellie said:

Indeed they did. It only took them three days, and around a dozen cancelled flights, before they realised what needed to be done. It's an utter disgrace that DoI and DoE have got themselves locked into a relationship with such a crap airline. 

So if you were at the DOI or DOE which airline would you choose ?