madmanxpilot Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, Dr Beeching said: The whole island runs from an efficiently run airport. Post, patients, healthcare staff coming and going, tourists, business people, freight... it's a literal lifeline. That's not to say it should get a blank cheque every time an upgrade is proposed. Not just yet. That is exactly why it is essential that any money that is made available actually goes towards things that will make a real difference. Huge amounts of money has been wasted in the past on things that have had no impact on the ability of aircraft to operate in poor weather. This because the airport management had no real grasp on what was needed. It is a highly technical subject, and perhaps it is unreasonable to expect general mangers to have intimate knowledge of it. However, if they don’t know, they shouldn’t speak with confidence about it, they should stop bullshitting in other words. Even more importantly, they shouldn’t be making expensive decisions based on what they think will make a difference, only on what they know will make a difference. It is therefore vital that consultation with groups who have experience and knowledge around the subject happens. This would ensure that any expenditure will reap maximum benefit for us all. Edited June 11, 2023 by madmanxpilot 4 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 16 hours ago, Dr Beeching said: Let's hope you never need a patient transfer flight! And I assume you never receive post by airmail? Genuinely how many people that live on the island that have never used the airport? Lots who use the boat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 A friend was on the 0955 Gatwick this morning which is now cancelled, next alternative Thursday evening. Business meetings down the pan. First loganair to city Wednesday. All blaming ATC. We have an utter pair of clowns running the airport, developing master plans whilst the place is an utter joke. Time to empty Cobb and Pugh. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 minute ago, asitis said: A friend was on the 0955 Gatwick this morning which is now cancelled, next alternative Thursday evening. Business meetings down the pan. First loganair to city Wednesday. All blaming ATC. We have an utter pair of clowns running the airport, developing master plans whilst the place is an utter joke. Time to empty Cobb and Pugh. It is an extraordinary time of year. TT exodus. I’m on the Liverpool boat tomorrow morning. If I want to change there’s no availability until Heysham on Wednesday evening. We've been lucky. No serious delays, breakdowns, etc. Out of interest, having got into the ATC mess we are in, given the shortage of ATCO to recruit, what do you suggest Thomas, Cobb, Pugh, actually do about it.u 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 minute ago, John Wright said: It is an extraordinary time of year. TT exodus. I’m on the Liverpool boat tomorrow morning. If I want to change there’s no availability until Heysham on Wednesday evening. We've been lucky. No serious delays, breakdowns, etc. Out of interest, having got into the ATC mess we are in, given the shortage of ATCO to recruit, what do you suggest Thomas, Cobb, Pugh, actually do about it.u Stop spouting management bullshit and focus on the present not long term development plans. Ps you clearly don't know all the tower goings on concerning Pugh ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, asitis said: A friend was on the 0955 Gatwick this morning which is now cancelled, next alternative Thursday evening. Business meetings down the pan. First loganair to city Wednesday. All blaming ATC. We have an utter pair of clowns running the airport, developing master plans whilst the place is an utter joke. Time to empty Cobb and Pugh. The TT FB pages already now have a number of posts from people trying to cadge lifts with people booked on the Steamie because of the cancellations. Are these airport or EZ generated though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, asitis said: Stop spouting management bullshit and focus on the present not long term development plans. Ps you clearly don't know all the tower goings on concerning Pugh ! You’d be surprised what I know. And it isn’t Managment bullshit. I asked you, in light of fact they are way under establishment, what your solution was. That’s about the short/medium term filling of vacancies. I notice that in your “angry” response, you don’t address that, and try and deflect to long term development plans, which I didn’t mention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Just now, Non-Believer said: The TT FB pages already now have a number of posts from people trying to cadge lifts with people booked on the Steamie because of the cancellations. Are these airport or EZ generated though? The cancellation text said ATC issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 ATC staff replacement planning based on current controllers’ retirement dates should be a basic management task. There are, of course, always mitigating circumstances; nonetheless what did the previous two now departed senior directors actually do 3-5 years ago to sort out this huge impending operational problem ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 minute ago, asitis said: The cancellation text said ATC issues. And EZY are known for not always being accurate with their stated reasons. And changing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Cypman said: ATC staff replacement planning based on current controllers’ retirement dates should be a basic management task. There are, of course, always mitigating circumstances; nonetheless what did the previous two now departed senior directors actually do 3-5 years ago to sort out this huge impending operational problem ?? Exactly. Not much Cobb and Pugh could have done to avert the issues created by Reynolds & Spake ( but let’s not forget the Treasury freeze on recruitment that also contributed ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, John Wright said: Exactly. Not much Cobb and Pugh could have done to avert the issues created by Reynolds & Spake ( but let’s not forget the Treasury freeze on recruitment that also contributed ) ... and there were those of us who spent years telling everyone what incompetents Reynolds and Spake were, people shouldn't swallow the party lines, there are many things going on in the background in addition to recruitment and legacy issues, a salary isn't the only consideration when looking at relocation ! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 minute ago, asitis said: ... and there were those of us who spent years telling everyone what incompetents Reynolds and Spake were, people shouldn't swallow the party lines, there are many things going on in the background in addition to recruitment and legacy issues, a salary isn't the only consideration when looking at relocation ! So what is your short term solution to the current ATCO establishment shortage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamon Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, John Wright said: Exactly. Not much Cobb and Pugh could have done to avert the issues created by Reynolds & Spake ( but let’s not forget the Treasury freeze on recruitment that also contributed ) Far too easy to trot out the 'it's a situation caused by previous directors'. There are serious issues in ATC that need resolving urgently. Not just the lack of experienced controllers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Bean Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) I was on the cancellation last night from Gatwick (bad weather cited) and then on the 08:05 this morning which they also cancelled without any reason given. Next available flight was tomorrow (when I was trying to “manage my flight” at 4:55am having working up to a text message. I need to be home tonight, so as I write I’m on my way to Liverpool. It’s not the airport managers that need a kick, its our elected representatives who need to grow a collective pair and call EasyJet to book over a shambolic, completely unreliable service. Basically, its a shower of shit. Edited June 12, 2023 by Manx Bean 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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