newaccount Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Dublin also had a period of holding overhead prior to landing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 6 hours ago, newaccount said: Dublin also had a period of holding overhead prior to landing Yes. Because the runway was closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 If the parking is putting as many off as some on here claim, and the private places are making the killing that some on here claim then what is this about? That is not much more than break even and in peak season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper99 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 A few updates to avoid misunderstandings. 1. the person who is returning to air traffic services is the former senior air traffic engineer - not an ATCO. 2. One ATCO has currently had his license suspended 3. The emergency a couple days ago for the 737 substitute mail plane. IOM airport does not have a plane recovery plan in their emergency response plan, for any aircraft. No member of staff at IOM airport is qualified to tow an aircraft - EAM used to tow aircraft for West Atlantic, There are no IOM airport towing procedures for a 737 & no tow bar. Would be interesting to know who towed, and what with, overnight 23/24 June, to remove the substitute mail plane from the runway 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 20 hours ago, newaccount said: Ronaldsway Airport hopes to bring its air traffic controllers up to full strength by September. A Freedom of Information request asked how many ATC staff are needed, how many are currently working and how many are being recruited. The airport says it need 16 operators but currently only has 14 - another four are due to start this year. Of the 14 currently working, only eight are available for operational duty. The figures come after Ronaldsway said the runway closed five times a day for air traffic controller rest periods because of staff shortages. It’s mealy mouthed CS speak to avoid honesty. To paraphrase. We should have 16 operational. We actually only have 8, so we are at 50%. They need to explain why 6 are non operational, and when, if at all, it’s anticipated they might become operational. What does non operational mean, training, familiarisation, unable to work unsupervised, suspended, off sick ( long/short term ) If another 4 are to start this year that takes up to 18. Are more operational ATCO to leave to bring down to 16, or are these trainees and it’s anticipating a 50% drop out? When is it anticipated those 4 will become operational? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Kipper99 said: A few updates to avoid misunderstandings. 1. the person who is returning to air traffic services is the former senior air traffic engineer - not an ATCO. 2. One ATCO has currently had his license suspended 3. The emergency a couple days ago for the 737 substitute mail plane. IOM airport does not have a plane recovery plan in their emergency response plan, for any aircraft. No member of staff at IOM airport is qualified to tow an aircraft - EAM used to tow aircraft for West Atlantic, There are no IOM airport towing procedures for a 737 & no tow bar. Would be interesting to know who towed, and what with, overnight 23/24 June, to remove the substitute mail plane from the runway So not even the fire services down there have any procedures for aircraft recovery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: So not even the fire services down there have any procedures for aircraft recovery? I’m not in the know, but airport fire service is part of the airport and will be part of the airport emergency response plan. It’s not precisely clear to what kipper99 refers, but it sounds as if he/she is saying it’s not explicitly set out, and it should be. These things shouldn’t be ad hoc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 The latest trick, presumably to make performance appear better than it is and to clear the lounge when all planes are delayed, is to Board passengers and leave them in the polytunnels even before incoming flights have been made ready. I witnessed and was part of it yesterday- bloody cold and cramped for 30 minutes. Top tip don’t Board until last calling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forestboy Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Kipper99 said: A few updates to avoid misunderstandings. 1. the person who is returning to air traffic services is the former senior air traffic engineer - not an ATCO. 2. One ATCO has currently had his license suspended 3. The emergency a couple days ago for the 737 substitute mail plane. IOM airport does not have a plane recovery plan in their emergency response plan, for any aircraft. No member of staff at IOM airport is qualified to tow an aircraft - EAM used to tow aircraft for West Atlantic, There are no IOM airport towing procedures for a 737 & no tow bar. Would be interesting to know who towed, and what with, overnight 23/24 June, to remove the substitute mail plane from the runway Probably the Douglas seaweed tractor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 32 minutes ago, english zloty said: The latest trick, presumably to make performance appear better than it is and to clear the lounge when all planes are delayed, is to Board passengers and leave them in the polytunnels even before incoming flights have been made ready. I witnessed and was part of it yesterday- bloody cold and cramped for 30 minutes. But at least you would have grown a couple of inches before you finally boarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 39 minutes ago, english zloty said: The latest trick, presumably to make performance appear better than it is and to clear the lounge when all planes are delayed, is to Board passengers and leave them in the polytunnels even before incoming flights have been made ready. I witnessed and was part of it yesterday- bloody cold and cramped for 30 minutes. Top tip don’t Board until last calling We went straight onto easyJet last night, several planes were delayed on ground because of ATC break then crew had 4 to board in short time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Those who run the airport, both CS and politicians, are frankly aware, or at least must be, that it is an utter shambles. However they are unable to speak reality and have to disguise failings, which maybe aren't their fault, by mealy mouthed platitudes, which only annoys users more ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, forestboy said: Probably the Douglas seaweed tractor. Probably - It'll end up being lifted over a fence and cut up rather than being fixed. Mail by air -1 - Mail by shiny new boat +2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newaccount Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Kipper99 said: A few updates to avoid misunderstandings. 1. the person who is returning to air traffic services is the former senior air traffic engineer - not an ATCO. 2. One ATCO has currently had his license suspended 3. The emergency a couple days ago for the 737 substitute mail plane. IOM airport does not have a plane recovery plan in their emergency response plan, for any aircraft. No member of staff at IOM airport is qualified to tow an aircraft - EAM used to tow aircraft for West Atlantic, There are no IOM airport towing procedures for a 737 & no tow bar. Would be interesting to know who towed, and what with, overnight 23/24 June, to remove the substitute mail plane from the runway Rumour I heard was they refilled the hydraulic fluid and it was able to move a short distance under its own power 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Manchester easyJet turned back to Manchester due to fog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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