offshoremanxman Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: It's even better that that. According to Manx Radio we're getting "a virtual stimulator". If that doesn't make Ronaldsway a destination in its own right, nothing will. The thing that gets me about this is that if it was the reason this probably should have been done years ago (not least to save money on flying people away on courses to keep certifications up). Certainly it should have been done over covid when nobody could have gone anywhere. But as we shut the airport down and I’m sure some misguided souls in government thought that it was the literal end of days and it would never function as an airport again and they’d just continue to get paid for doing nothing forever we’re only now addressing the apparent issue. What still isn’t being explained though is why we are having such difficulty in maintaining ATC staff when Jersey and Guernsey who have more passengers aren’t shutting their airports down every 5 minutes. Do they have the same simulator facilities? It just sounds like another “new toys” argument from government and screw the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 I'm done with the place as a travelling passenger ferry for me eff em all ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, asitis said: I'm done with the place as a travelling passenger ferry for me eff em all ! Maybe that’s what they want you to do as they’ve now got £78M of extra costs to pay off with the Manxman. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: It's even better that that. According to Manx Radio we're getting "a virtual stimulator". If that doesn't make Ronaldsway a destination in its own right, nothing will. a virtual simulator , sounds ideal , it can join our virtual ATC and virtual aircraft arrivals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 18 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: Maybe that’s what they want you to do as they’ve now got £78M of extra costs to pay off with the Manxman. Their plan is working well. The airport has been allowed to become a national embarrassment, in cruder terms, a complete cluster f**ck. We have navigation facilities that don’t allow planes to land in low cloud or low visibility, and often when the weather is good enough we have too few controllers to open the airport, and when we do have the good fortune for those two things not to negatively affect things, we have an airline who cancels flights because we are not a priority for them. Most of this has been brewing for years. Some have written to government to highlight the pending problems, some have voiced concern through the media and a lot have ranted an raved through social media. Have those in power taken the blindest bit of notice? Have they f**k!. They always think know best, yet in reality they have no actual grasp of how it all works, and no understanding of the effect that their flawed decisions will have. It is such a sorry state of affairs - and it was all so avoidable. 6 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 If this simulator would take months to come online and cost us a million quids? . Surely the trainees will be fully trained and on site by then? £ 3000 a day to buy time on one, might be a better option? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) On 7/4/2023 at 2:33 PM, madmanxpilot said: we have an airline who cancels flights because we are not a priority for them. We have three airlines who cancel flights. Here are the March and April figures: Airport Carrier March April Mvmts Canx % Canx Mvmts Canx % Canx BFS easyJet 28 2 7.14% 16 0 0.00% BRS easyJet 22 2 9.09% 76 6 7.89% LGW easyJet 110 12 10.91% 124 10 8.06% LPL easyJet 84 10 11.90% 106 12 11.32% MAN easyJet 66 6 9.09% 0 0 DUB Emerald 62 4 6.45% 94 10 10.64% BHD Emerald 0 0 6 2 33.33% BHX Loganair 61 4 6.56% 50 5 10.00% EDI Loganair 36 4 11.11% 34 4 11.76% LHR Loganair 63 4 6.35% 59 6 10.17% LPL Loganair 111 15 13.51% 100 11 11.00% LCY Loganair 72 15 20.83% 63 7 11.11% MAN Loganair 124 12 9.68% 120 10 8.33% 839 90 10.73% 848 83 9.79% easyJet 310 32 10.32% 322 28 8.70% Emerald 62 4 6.45% 100 12 12.00% Loganair 467 54 11.56% 426 43 10.09% 839 90 10.73% 848 83 9.79% Charter 0 0 7 0 0.00% Other 44 6 13.64% 48 12 25.00% 883 96 10.87% 903 95 10.52% There's not much difference between them and the same factors will be dictating this behaviour from all three. Edited July 5, 2023 by Roger Mexico Column missed from table 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Just now, Roger Mexico said: We have three airlines who cancel flights. Here are the March and April figures: Carrier March April Mvmts Canx % Canx Mvmts Canx % Canx easyJet 28 2 7.14% 16 0 0.00% easyJet 22 2 9.09% 76 6 7.89% easyJet 110 12 10.91% 124 10 8.06% easyJet 84 10 11.90% 106 12 11.32% easyJet 66 6 9.09% 0 0 Emerald 62 4 6.45% 94 10 10.64% Emerald 0 0 6 2 33.33% Loganair 61 4 6.56% 50 5 10.00% Loganair 36 4 11.11% 34 4 11.76% Loganair 63 4 6.35% 59 6 10.17% Loganair 111 15 13.51% 100 11 11.00% Loganair 72 15 20.83% 63 7 11.11% Loganair 124 12 9.68% 120 10 8.33% 839 90 10.73% 848 83 9.79% easyJet 310 32 10.32% 322 28 8.70% Emerald 62 4 6.45% 100 12 12.00% Loganair 467 54 11.56% 426 43 10.09% 839 90 10.73% 848 83 9.79% Charter 0 0 7 0 0.00% Other 44 6 13.64% 48 12 25.00% 883 96 10.87% 903 95 10.52% There's not much difference between them and the same factors will be dictating this behaviour from all three. I think you will find stats for tte last month or so will paint a different story when they are published. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Kopek said: If this simulator would take months to come online They should build a Ronaldsway Airport simulator in the carpark where if you don’t actually want to risk flying you can go and quietly replicate the Ronaldsway Airport service experience by sitting in an empty concrete bus shelter on a plastic chair going nowhere with a luke warm cup of £4 coffee while they charge you £10 for 6 hours in the carpark. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 10 hours ago, asitis said: We need someone to grow a pair and realise this is not acceptable. The airport director just waffles for hours with a stream of bullshit to rival the goddess of bullshit who's gone now ! Well I’ve not heard him waffling anything apart from a brief appearance on the Mannin Line a couple of weeks ago. He seems to be hiding somewhere. What on earth is he being paid for? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADELE Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 He has been warned by Chris Thomas that he must not compete in the Waffler of the year competition he has the crown and intends to keep it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 9 hours ago, madmanxpilot said: I think you will find stats for tte last month or so will paint a different story when they are published. That's partly why I did the March ones to add to April to see if it was the same pattern (which it is). So we'll have to see. We've got the May figures from the Airport, the pax numbers do show a 7% increase on 2022, but the rate of increase seems to be slowing down, partly because post-Covid effects are dropping out. Though they are still only 66% of the 2019 figures. In April UK domestic air pax was 82.7% of April 2019, so it's clearly still a wider problem, but IOM seems hit particularly hard. However the Airports figures are pretty useless for assessing movements, not least because they seem to include every seagull landing on the tarmac. So we'll have to wait for the CAA ones to assess cancellations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 7 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: Well I’ve not heard him waffling anything apart from a brief appearance on the Mannin Line a couple of weeks ago. He seems to be hiding somewhere. What on earth is he being paid for? For the Masterplan it seems, of course the place can go to hell whilst we dream of the future, we may have been subject to this before. Another totally unsuitable appointment in respect of what is needed to even get the basic airport up and running. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 18 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: It's even better that that. According to Manx Radio we're getting "a virtual stimulator". If that doesn't make Ronaldsway a destination in its own right, nothing will. Clearly they are jealous of the railways who already have a simulator for a non-functioning diesel engine. A striking parallel. This is obviously the way forward, if the reality doesn't actually work it doesn't matter as long as we can simulate what's supposed to be happening. Genius. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Clearly they are jealous of the railways who already have a simulator for a non-functioning diesel engine. A striking parallel. This is obviously the way forward, if the reality doesn't actually work it doesn't matter as long as we can simulate what's supposed to be happening. Genius. Isn't it to help in training the ATC rather than divert other ATC (qualified to train) staff to give the training? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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