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12 hours ago, snowman said:

You're demonstrating a complete lack of understanding. What you suggest is not not how any airport operates

What is clear, is that it is operating in the usual island fashion where a highly paid civil servant glorying in the title of deputy director isn't actually responsible for anything. I guess if Manchester ground to a halt because of poor performance by a sub contractor airport managers would just shrug their shoulders and say "not my job mate" ! what utter rubbish. Spake is paid to manage the airport, not ponce around making documentaries and do eff all whilst the place goes to hell ! The airport is a managerial shit show in almost every aspect.

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8 minutes ago, asitis said:

I guess if Manchester ground to a halt because of poor performance by a sub contractor airport managers would just shrug their shoulders and say "not my job mate" ! what utter rubbish.

Hang on Rob Callister said these works had been finished on schedule in October? 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-58752111

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You would have thought the breaks would be planned to align with the long periods with no scheduled commercial movements.  Not exactly the best way to encourage airlines to increase services to the Island.

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38 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said:

The geniuses in charge down there shut the tower due to a staff break, just before three flights were due in within 15 minutes of each other. Two EasyJets and a Loganair.

Is Spake back on the island? If so, can we throw him in the sea?

But is that true or just a bit of nonsense?

Call me naïve but this is the airline industry subject to all sorts of operational regulations.

Would flights really be denied landing because Air Traffic Controllers were due a cup of tea.?

Seems unlikely to me

 

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9 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

But is that true or just a bit of nonsense?

Call me naïve but this is the airline industry subject to all sorts of operational regulations.

Would flights really be denied landing because Air Traffic Controllers were due a cup of tea.?

Seems unlikely to me

 

Nope not unlikely, there are clearly defined rules about breaks and how long at the control station etc etc !

This is really the situation ! ATC staffing and succession was never top of the "sexy" lets throw money at it list so was rather left to wander. We are now dealing that situation. Here are the current notams about the situation .....

Will be active in 4 days: DUE ATC STAFFING, AD CLOSED 2201031900-2201031930
Will be active in 2 days: DUE ATC STAFFING, ISLE OF MAN SURVEILLANCE SER NOT AVBL  2201020600-2201020930
Will be active in 2 days: DUE ATC STAFFING, AD CLOSED 2201020730-2201021930
Will be active in a day: DUE ATC STAFFING, AD CLOSED 2201010600-2201011200
Will be active in a day: DUE ATC STAFFING, ISLE OF MAN SURVEILLANCE SERVICES NOT AVAILABLE. PROCEDURAL SERVICE AVAILABLE  2201010600-2201011315
Will be active in 7 hours: ISLE OF MAN SURVEILLANCE SERVICES UNAVAILABLE 0600-1315 AND SUBJECT TO SHORT NOTICE WITHDRAWAL OUTSIDE THESE TIMES  2112310600-2112311945
Will be active in 9 hours: AD CLOSED DUE ATC STAFFING 2112310715-2112311200
Will be active in a day: ISLE OF MAN SURVEILLANCE BASED SER NOT AVBL DUE ATC STAFFING. OUTSIDE THESE HR RAD SUBJ SHORT NOTICE CLOSURE PROMULGATED BY ATIS. PROCEDURAL SER ONLY.  2201010730-2202281930

 

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41 minutes ago, asitis said:

Nope not unlikely, there are clearly defined rules about breaks and how long at the control station etc etc !

This is really the situation ! ATC staffing and succession was never top of the "sexy" lets throw money at it list so was rather left to wander. We are now dealing that situation. Here are the current notams about the situation .....

Will be active in 4 days: DUE ATC STAFFING, AD CLOSED 2201031900-2201031930
Will be active in 2 days: DUE ATC STAFFING, ISLE OF MAN SURVEILLANCE SER NOT AVBL  2201020600-2201020930
Will be active in 2 days: DUE ATC STAFFING, AD CLOSED 2201020730-2201021930
Will be active in a day: DUE ATC STAFFING, AD CLOSED 2201010600-2201011200
Will be active in a day: DUE ATC STAFFING, ISLE OF MAN SURVEILLANCE SERVICES NOT AVAILABLE. PROCEDURAL SERVICE AVAILABLE  2201010600-2201011315
Will be active in 7 hours: ISLE OF MAN SURVEILLANCE SERVICES UNAVAILABLE 0600-1315 AND SUBJECT TO SHORT NOTICE WITHDRAWAL OUTSIDE THESE TIMES  2112310600-2112311945
Will be active in 9 hours: AD CLOSED DUE ATC STAFFING 2112310715-2112311200
Will be active in a day: ISLE OF MAN SURVEILLANCE BASED SER NOT AVBL DUE ATC STAFFING. OUTSIDE THESE HR RAD SUBJ SHORT NOTICE CLOSURE PROMULGATED BY ATIS. PROCEDURAL SER ONLY.  2201010730-2202281930

 

Is these issues caused by short of staff or ?? Either way thats terrible . Once again reactive not proactive dealing with the issues . But TT and increased air traffic is looming. Theres no end to the seemingly fuckups and incompetance in or around our infrastructure . Mind blowing !     

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7 hours ago, Numbnuts said:

Is these issues caused by short of staff or ?? Either way thats terrible . Once again reactive not proactive dealing with the issues . But TT and increased air traffic is looming. Theres no end to the seemingly fuckups and incompetance in or around our infrastructure . Mind blowing !     

It is my information that forward planning was not high on the list of priorities of airport directors ! Retirements, ill health and other issues required a robust succession plan, however a hidden service is not shiny beads and pieces of mirror to those whose sole aim is develop, and spend !

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No Gatwick Express or Southern train services into London Victoria due to staff shortages. Largely down to staff absence arising from the virus but it’s been quite a common issue for several years on that route . Another reason ( to add to the many ) to realise EasyJet Gatwick is not the only answer to serving London from the Isle of Man . 

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20 minutes ago, IOM said:

No Gatwick Express or Southern train services into London Victoria due to staff shortages. Largely down to staff absence arising from the virus but it’s been quite a common issue for several years on that route . Another reason ( to add to the many ) to realise EasyJet Gatwick is not the only answer to serving London from the Isle of Man . 

Didnt someone in here say 'London is sorted, news in the new year'?

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23 minutes ago, IOM said:

No Gatwick Express or Southern train services into London Victoria due to staff shortages. Largely down to staff absence arising from the virus but it’s been quite a common issue for several years on that route . Another reason ( to add to the many ) to realise EasyJet Gatwick is not the only answer to serving London from the Isle of Man . 

Actually due to major engineering works at Victoria over the Christmas New Year period.  All Airports can be affected by such things, so it's hardly an argument for anything.

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53 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Actually due to major engineering works at Victoria over the Christmas New Year period.  All Airports can be affected by such things, so it's hardly an argument for anything.

I disagree. With Heathrow there are options ( Heathrow Express or Piccadilly line ) London City ( DLR or bus even a taxi is not too bad as so central)  . Am not even sure it should be called London Gatwick as it is so far out . 

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