asitis Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 From someone on the aircraft , captain says engine warning light, his observation, interesting airmanship to go back to Gatwick when other bases are much closer. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Truth is, we don't have any reason to 'believe' the excuses given for these delays nor can we question the safety reasons given, we are not 'experts'? Do the DoI ask to see the logs of the aircraft??? There have been plenty of warnings not to rely on connections being made, is it our fault or the airlines? Or of course, the DoIs for being too soft on the carriers ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 14 minutes ago, Capt_Mainwaring said: Yep. Not the airport this time though I guess, unless (given MMPs observations of the wind at the time) there's another reason? @madmanxpilot - do the pilots get live updates on the wind, so could there have been a stronger gust since the 2120 METAR? Does Romaldsway have just the one wind measurement location or are there sensors at each end of the runway/elsewhere on the airfield? The A320 has a crosswind limitation of 38 kts. Wind gusts tend to be reported if they are 10 kts higher than the mean windspeed, and they will be included in the METAR if they have happened within 10 minutes of the report time - at least that’s how I remember it! Pilots will be passed wind information along with the landing clearance, and after that if it is considered significant, and at any time they request it. It will be given as a direction and speed with any gusts. It is up to the crew to decide whether this is outside of their own or their aircrafts limits. If the wind is 30 degrees off the runway direction, half of the windspeed is crosswind, if it is 60 degrees off 85% of it is crosswind, if it is 70 degrees off or more it is, for all intents and purposes, all crosswind. Southerly crosswinds are a piece of piss here - if they are out of the north, it can be really turbulent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 13 minutes ago, asitis said: From someone on the aircraft , captain says engine warning light, his observation, interesting airmanship to go back to Gatwick when other bases are much closer. I’m sure if he/she needed to, they would have diverted. Not worth the grief from the airline management if nothing else. Very surprised the emotive words of ‘warning light’ were used. ‘Technical issue’ is a very useful coverall! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 33 minutes ago, Capt_Mainwaring said: Does Romaldsway have just the one wind measurement location or are there sensors at each end of the runway/elsewhere on the airfield? There are anemometers at each end of the runway. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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newaccount Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 16 minutes ago, Kopek said: Truth is, we don't have any reason to 'believe' the excuses given for these delays nor can we question the safety reasons given, we are not 'experts'? If the airline say it's a technical issue they're going to have to pay £220 per passenger on both LGW-IOM and IOM-LGW sectors. Why you on earth do you think they'd say it's a "safety reason" just to make an "excuse". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 14 minutes ago, madmanxpilot said: Very surprised the emotive words of ‘warning light’ were used. ‘Technical issue’ is a very useful coverall! 'Technical issue' sounds more alarming to me. Warning light you might have a problem, technical issue, you certainly do. Going back to base is a lot cheaper for the airline - the crew and some of the passengers will go back home rather than all needing accommodation. And if all that's needed is a check over or a minor adjustment, the plane will be in position for tomorrow's schedule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) ...but surely for a late night flight the aircraft would remain at RWY? Sending it back to GWK would upset their schedules on the Island? Are we second class? Edited July 6, 2023 by Kopek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kopek said: ...but surely for a late night flight the aircraft would remain at RWY? Sending it back to GWK would upset their schedules on the Island? easyJet never night stop aircraft here, at least not intentionally. Please try to keep up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 I'll try but can you explain why so many flights are, seemingly, canx to or from the IoM to the advantage of other destinations while to the detriment of the IoM??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Kopek said: I'll try but can you explain why so many flights are, seemingly, canx to or from the IoM to the advantage of other destinations while to the detriment of the IoM??? The main reason is that easyJet choose to schedule their PM Gatwick flight right up against the Airport's published closing time. If any time is lost during the day, they are immediately strugglng to get in and out before the Airport closes. Edited July 6, 2023 by Nellie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipsqueak Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 9 hours ago, Kopek said: ...but surely for a late night flight the aircraft would remain at RWY? Sending it back to GWK would upset their schedules on the Island? Are we second class? we probably dont have any means to fix a technical fault on island so going back makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 No reason to think EasyJet are lying, the plane pretty much made it here. And the airport were posting the delay as 22.10 so clearly the airport knew and had agreed they could cover it tonight. It wouldn’t have set off if they couldn’t. If there’s a minor technical issue it makes sense to take the plane back to an engineering base. An engine warning light might be nothing but if, say, the engine doesn’t restart on stand at Ronaldsway then it’ll be a ball-ache for EasyJet to sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: No reason to think EasyJet are lying, the plane pretty much made it here. And the airport were posting the delay as 22.10 so clearly the airport knew and had agreed they could cover it tonight. It wouldn’t have set off if they couldn’t. If there’s a minor technical issue it makes sense to take the plane back to an engineering base. An engine warning light might be nothing but if, say, the engine doesn’t restart on stand at Ronaldsway then it’ll be a ball-ache for EasyJet to sort. Agree with all of that. There is a lot of discontent out there at the moment and people are, perhaps rightly, suspicious about some of the things that they are being told. Aircraft maintenance is a strange thing. Quite often it is permitted to continue a flight without restriction provided you’ve already started to move, whereas if the fault was detected before that point you’d have to get whatever the issue was fixed before you set off. It obviously depends on the nature of the fault, so, for example if you were to have a pressurisation system caution during taxi out, you’d want to go back to stand and have it investigated, but if someone pointed out that your port navigation light was not working as you lined up for take off, you could still go. If, however, you noticed this light was out on your walkaround, you’d have to get it fixed before you departed. It comes down to the minimum equipment list, the MEL, which all aircraft will have, only applying up to the point of dispatch. It may well have been that last night’s flight had something that the MEL said would need to be fixed prior to the next dispatch, yet was perfectly safe to keep operating with. Edited July 7, 2023 by madmanxpilot 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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