asitis Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 24 minutes ago, newaccount said: Do remote atc like London City Like the success Cobb and HIAL made of it you mean! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newaccount Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Can someone please post the airport lounge opening times? Plaza Premium, Priority Pass, Airport.im, Google maps (updated 11 weeks ago) give conflicting information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 18 hours ago, Two-lane said: It looks like Cobb was kept out of the loop - as he is responsible only for ATC and car parks he is sure to know the requirements. But now they've got a 'proper' manager of ATC (ie one who can't actually do the job) that means he has to be the person who decides who to recruit or not. No doubt assisted by the world renowned experts of Cabinet Office HR. The student dropping out shouldn't be a problem, there were a lot of applicants, so they should have some sort of waitlist to get a replacement from. And with a worldwide shortage of ATC staff they may have decided to take a gamble - but they should have known and slotted them straight into the extra training required. As ever with IOMG though, the people who insist on making the decisions may be those who prioritise recruiting the 'right' sort of person over the person with the right skills. Unfortunately with ATC not having the right skills isn't an option. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 When I put together the figures for comparing car park revenue per pax going back to 2019, I did it partly so that I could look at the way the pax figures themselves had changed over that period and specifically how they were recovering after Covid. So here they are, also showing each month as a percentage of its 2019 equivalent: 2019 2020 V 2019 2021 V 2019 2022 V 2019 2023 V 2019 Jan 57375 55182 96% 1379 2% 25630 45% 43774 76% Feb 61630 58215 94% 1113 2% 35160 57% 47354 77% Mar 71361 28205 40% 1786 3% 43393 61% 52357 73% Apr 70885 294 0% 1655 2% 49978 71% 53632 76% May 81698 505 1% 2977 4% 49514 61% 55419 68% Jun 85999 1019 1% 5549 6% 60602 70% 68397 80% Jul 76813 2795 4% 15714 20% 49547 65% 54498 71% Aug 81168 7412 9% 23636 29% 52406 65% Sep 72388 5239 7% 25531 35% 49053 68% Oct 71764 3385 5% 33817 47% 50907 71% Nov 66486 2229 3% 38448 58% 45917 69% Dec 68050 2021 3% 35778 53% 50383 74% Year 865617 166501 19% 187383 22% 562490 65% August figures aren't out yet (or rather they have overwritten Aug and Jul with the 2022 figures). Commentary and context to follow. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_manx Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, newaccount said: Can someone please post the airport lounge opening times? Plaza Premium, Priority Pass, Airport.im, Google maps (updated 11 weeks ago) give conflicting information I took this photo some time late last year but found the lounge closed at the scheduled opening times on several occasions due to staffing issues. However staffing seems to be better these days so I think that the opening times are different now . Was open at around 10 AM last Wednesday for example .. Will be travelling later on this week. Will check with the staff / post photo here. While there is no hot food here in the IOM many business visitors loved the lounge and the choices . View of the runway and self serve alcohol etc might have helped 😉 Edited September 17, 2023 by mad_manx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Again some fairly random points: It's always slightly dodgy comparing individual months with previous ones or even their equivalents in previous years because various calendar events don't always fall evenly or in the same month. Easter, Bank Holidays, the exact dates of TT/MGP. leap days and weekends will all vary from year to year. So rather than specific, isolated comparisons, you need to look at the pattern rather than "Oh we're down (or up) on last month". 2019 was a good year so airport traffic (it had been slowly rising for several years) but it's clear that pax are nowhere near back at those levels yet. Despite the problems, performance is still improving on last year, but it looks like the rate of increase is slowing. So far 2023 is only 74.2% of the equivalent 2019 months. Some of this is down to the fact that the wider air market hasn't fully recovered. I looked at the total UK+ (ie UK plus IOM and CIs) pax for June - the latest CAA figures. These were 26.5 million as opposed to 28.9 million for June 2019, so only 91.7%. This is still increasing - the equivalent percentage over the previous 12 months was 85.7% - but it shows things are still generally suppressed. But those are still better figures that IOM Airport is managing. Part of the reason that IOM is doing worse may be because of most of its traffic being 'domestic scheduled' - scheduled flights within UK+ in other words. In June these only made up 12.5% of all UK+ pax, but 86.8% of IOM's (and June may be a low IOM month because of TT charters). In June domestic scheduled was at only 84.8% of 2019, lower than the wider 91.7% for all pax. Perhaps because business travel hasn't returned (and may never return) to pre-pandemic levels. But that 84.8% is still higher than IOM is managing. Again things such as cancellations can't have helped. But one thing that often gets forgotten is that sea travel is a much more viable alternative from the Isle of Man than it is from NI or the Channel Islands. As far as well can tell (DoI reporting of harbour figures is now even more erratic than the airport ones) sea pax were back to pre-Covid levels and more in 2022 and some may have switched. There may be other factors as well. For example car hire prices soared (and availability dropped) post pandemic and may have meant that taking your own car away was better value or simply the only way to have transport. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 I mentioned how part of IOM Airport's problem was that it was mainly reliant on 'domestic scheduled' flights, which have been hit harder and was less than 85% of 2019 in total. I thought I'd look how the pax numbers were for every relevant UK+ airport to see what the pattern is: Airport 2023 2019 % of 2019 BOURNEMOUTH 4842 312 1552% DUNDEE 3064 1786 172% LERWICK (TINGWALL) 446 388 115% STANSTED 122418 107846 114% BELFAST INTERNATIONAL 351193 318106 110% BRISTOL 122031 116925 104% TIREE 1258 1204 104% LUTON 112223 112906 99% BARRA 1395 1487 94% GATWICK 275204 295139 93% LANDS END (ST JUST) 6453 6953 93% ALDERNEY 4328 4771 91% HUMBERSIDE 1605 1761 91% INVERNESS 70661 77954 91% SUMBURGH 14384 15944 90% HEATHROW 380932 434649 88% LIVERPOOL 70026 79449 88% GLASGOW 300139 349848 86% CAMPBELTOWN 714 837 85% JERSEY 137746 161707 85% BENBECULA 2845 3388 84% CITY OF DERRY 13945 16886 83% KIRKWALL 13397 16101 83% ABERDEEN 101788 125053 81% BELFAST CITY 171089 212482 81% EDINBURGH 375943 461286 81% WICK JOHN O GROATS 954 1183 81% GUERNSEY 63224 78974 80% ISLAY 3007 3818 79% STORNOWAY 9521 11998 79% NEWCASTLE 76402 98475 78% BIRMINGHAM 91234 117951 77% ISLE OF MAN 59355 78507 76% ISLES OF SCILLY 8453 11671 72% NEWQUAY 28944 40413 72% MANCHESTER 146967 210410 70% LONDON CITY 64993 99705 65% TEESSIDE 1473 2323 63% LEEDS BRADFORD 17416 28324 61% SOUTHAMPTON 48901 100170 49% EAST MIDLANDS 12760 29589 43% EXETER 14226 40779 35% NORWICH 4078 12400 33% CARDIFF WALES 6678 21343 31% Overall Average 3318655 3913201 85% Again commentary to follow (if I type too much after a table formatting goes weird). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Again a few random comments: The Isle of Man's June percentage is lower than in the previous table because there are no charter figures and also, as an international route, Dublin is excluded. That actually had an increase of 13% over 2019 in June. The few increases are mainly where 2019 was low to start with. Belfast Int seems to have poached pax from City, though the combined total is a bit down. Consolidation of routes to larger regional airports may be a feature generally. Bristol is up, but Cardiff and Exeter well down (Exeter must also have been hit by Flybe's demise) and Southampton may also have lost to it (and Heathrow). The Isle of Man's figure is not just below average, but also less than Jersey and Guernsey. Interestingly Isles of Scilly is similar - maybe again because of easier sea alternatives. The archetypal business airport, London City is hard hit, suggesting that type of travel is still below what it was. Though again there may be so route consolidation. Despite its problems in June, Gatwick still does OK. Luton and especially Stansted even better, though I'm not sure from where. Manchester's fall is larger than you might expect, unlike Scottish destinations it may be near enough that train travel has picked up more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newaccount Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 7 hours ago, mad_manx said: I took this photo some time late last year but found the lounge closed at the scheduled opening times on several occasions due to staffing issues. However staffing seems to be better these days so I think that the opening times are different now . Was open at around 10 AM last Wednesday for example .. Will be travelling later on this week. Will check with the staff / post photo here. While there is no hot food here in the IOM many business visitors loved the lounge and the choices . View of the runway and self serve alcohol etc might have helped 😉 Iom airport website Opening Times Monday 06.00am - 9.00pm Tuesday 06.00am - 9.00pm Wednesday 06.00am -9.00pm Thursday 06.00am - 9.00pm Friday 06.00am - 9.00pm Saturday 06.00am - 2.00pm Sunday 10.00 am – 9.00pm Google maps Priority Pass OPENING HOURS Monday: 10:00 - 18:00 Tuesday: 10:00 - 18:00 Wednesday: 10:00 - 18:00 Thursday: 10:00 - 18:00 Friday: 10:00 - 18:00 Saturday: 06:00 - 13:30 Sunday: 10:00 - 18:00 is it too much to ask for accurate information 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Not really news as happens often but Gatwick cancelled again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newaccount Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 LM684 was cancelled on Saturday. No one mentioned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopy2110 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, Banker said: Not really news as happens often but Gatwick cancelled again! The airport is lying. They'd given the passengers a gate to go to at Gatwick and the aircraft landed from Venice around 8pm (late). It could easily be out before 11pm. Easyjet saying IOM can't accommodate. IOM saying it couldn't be out before 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopy2110 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, newaccount said: LM684 was cancelled on Saturday. No one mentioned it. I only just heard about the "easyjet at ronaldsway" page ... wtaf nothing better to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, newaccount said: LM684 was cancelled on Saturday. No one mentioned it. And that fact in itself highlights a growing problem. Cancellations used to be rare, but they seem to happen so frequently now that I suspect that this sorry state of affairs is starting to be accepted as the new normal. Edited September 18, 2023 by madmanxpilot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 On 9/16/2023 at 11:56 AM, Max Power said: Jesus fucking wept! And no bloody wonder, another fine mess you've got us into Stanley! I can’t help thinking of Chris Kamara’s famous expression…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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