Ringy Rose Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 6 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: Emerald's performance on DUB has been more variable Emerald’s performance has as much to do with the chronic unreliability of the ATR72 as much as anything. Loganair seem to have got a handle on it, but it’ll be interesting what happens as we head into the winter. An unreliable aircraft left out in the cold and rain all night, what could go wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Just now, The Voice of Reason said: Fair point. Maybe they just charge a one off installation fee? I dunno. But I know someone who does know ( or should know) Plus maintenance contracts, regular site visits etc etc. None of that with Ringo. Just a few signs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Just now, Ringy Rose said: Emerald’s performance has as much to do with the chronic unreliability of the ATR72 as much as anything. Loganair seem to have got a handle on it, but it’ll be interesting what happens as we head into the winter. An unreliable aircraft left out in the cold and rain all night, what could go wrong? I’m no airport industry expert but I imagine that planes are required to be able to be left unhangered without suffering any ill effect, to get some sort of airworthiness certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 minute ago, The Voice of Reason said: Maybe they just charge a one off installation fee? Plus maintenance, plus repairs… And the equipment isn’t even all that reliable, especially at the Bottleneck. I know people hate on RingGo, but there’s a reason more and more councils in the UK are outsourcing to them. And that’s cost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Just now, The Voice of Reason said: but I imagine that planes are required to be able to be left unhangered without suffering any ill effect Loganair had a lot of technical problems last winter. Let’s see what happens this winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Just now, Ringy Rose said: Plus maintenance, plus repairs… And the equipment isn’t even all that reliable, especially at the Bottleneck. I know people hate on RingGo, but there’s a reason more and more councils in the UK are outsourcing to them. And that’s cost. Well yes all products of this nature will require maintenance and the odd repair. I’ve never had a problem with the Bottleneck or Shaws Brow car parks. For ease of use they beat the airport parking hands down. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: Loganair had a lot of technical problems last winter. Let’s see what happens this winter. You’ve only quoted half my post. Not the bit about having an airworthiness certificate Why? Edited September 20, 2023 by The Voice of Reason Addition of second sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: Plus maintenance, plus repairs… And the equipment isn’t even all that reliable, especially at the Bottleneck. I know people hate on RingGo, but there’s a reason more and more councils in the UK are outsourcing to them. And that’s cost. Do you mean income? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: You’ve only quoted half my post. Not the bit about having an airworthiness certificate Why? Because it was irrelevant. I didn’t say the ATR72 was a dangerous or un-airworthy aircraft. I said it was unreliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Just now, The Voice of Reason said: Do you mean income? No, I mean cost. Paying RingGo or Parking Eye to deal with payment is cheaper than maintaining all those parking machines and barriers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Just now, Ringy Rose said: Because it was irrelevant. I didn’t say the ATR72 was a dangerous or un-airworthy aircraft. I said it was unreliable. “Left out in the cold and rain all night. What could go wrong” was what you said. Why say it if irrelevant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Left out in the cold and rain all night. What could go wrong” was what you said. I was meaning the plane would break down on stand, not that it would hurtle out of the sky in a fireball. Apologies for any confusion. Last year they had terrible trouble with both the ATR72 and the ATR42 they brought over to cover for the broken ATR72. I can’t help but think leaving it out in the open air, next to the sea, in winter won’t have helped. Let’s see this winter. Edited September 20, 2023 by Ringy Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: I was meaning the plane would break down on stand, not that it would hurtle out of the sky in a fireball. Apologies for any confusion. Last year they had terrible trouble with both the ATR72 and the ATR42 they brought over to cover for the broken ATR72. I can’t help but think leaving it out in the open air, next to the sea, in winter won’t have helped. Let’s see this winter. I’m sure there are much colder places than Ronaldsway in the world, where planes are left out in the open air next to the sea in winter without suffering any ill effects. As I say I’m no aeroplane expert but I imagine there are stress tests for this sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: No, I mean cost. Paying RingGo or Parking Eye to deal with payment is cheaper than maintaining all those parking machines and barriers. All of that is fairly irrelevant, many folk don't like using Ringco or don't have the facilities to easily do so. what is wrong with the old system that warrants using an outsourced system that to my mind is not customer friendly? Anpr works fine too and I believe that the Ringco system is not so infallible either and still needs a parking attendant. The current system is based on misinformation as has been proved on these forums. The barriers could have been fixed at a small cost. I for one will not use the current parking system even though it causes me some inconvenience. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 minute ago, doc.fixit said: what is wrong with the old system that warrants using an outsourced system Councils across the UK are moving from machines and barriers to outsourced RingGo or ParkingEye type apps. My assumption is that they’re doing this because it’s cheaper for them to do so. Theres nothing wrong with machines and barriers, but clearly there is a cost attached. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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