WTF Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 32 minutes ago, asitis said: If an aircraft enters the sea enthusiastically then it's academic in any case ! yes, it's a recovery job not a rescue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 58 minutes ago, The Phantom said: You'd have to go round Langness to get to the airport. Realistically there wouldn't be much difference between Douglas and PSM. The Douglas boat (Shannon Class) is a little bit quicker than the PSM boat (Trent). I don't know for certain, but I'd say the Douglas boat would be faster to launch too. Depends which runway and if they are landing/taking off, crew tend to be closer in PSM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 58 minutes ago, The Phantom said: You'd have to go round Langness to get to the airport. Realistically there wouldn't be much difference between Douglas and PSM. The Douglas boat (Shannon Class) is a little bit quicker than the PSM boat (Trent). I don't know for certain, but I'd say the Douglas boat would be faster to launch too. Depends which runway and if they are landing/taking off, crew tend to be closer in PSM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 19 hours ago, finlo said: They'd probably have to wait for them to finish their tea break (or game of pool) anyway. I am not sure if you are being facetious, but the CAA requirement is for the fire crews to be at an on-airfield accident site within 3 minutes. No doubt the CAA requires regular training. Maybe occasionally they turn up with a stop watch. Having bought the equipment, I do not understand why it is not kept available for an inshore rescue. And an answer to my question above is one I would expect that people would be interested in - What are the instructions for the fire crew in the event of an accident outside the perimeter fence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 18 minutes ago, Two-lane said: I am not sure if you are being facetious, but the CAA requirement is for the fire crews to be at an on-airfield accident site within 3 minutes. No doubt the CAA requires regular training. Maybe occasionally they turn up with a stop watch. Having bought the equipment, I do not understand why it is not kept available for an inshore rescue. And an answer to my question above is one I would expect that people would be interested in - What are the instructions for the fire crew in the event of an accident outside the perimeter fence? I was an attempt at humour as we're constantly told the airport is closed because people are on their break but I obviously failed dismally! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebushy Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 The simple answer to avoid planes crashing in the sea is to build an even bigger runway. FACT 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 4 minutes ago, littlebushy said: The simple answer to avoid planes crashing in the sea is to build an even bigger runway. FACT All the way to the UK would be good! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, Two-lane said: What are the instructions for the fire crew in the event of an accident outside the perimeter fence? finish your frame of snooker and then see if it's still going on and worth going for a skeet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 3 hours ago, WTF said: finish your frame of snooker and then see if it's still going on and worth going for a skeet. Or, "It's not our area Gov". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 9 hours ago, littlebushy said: The simple answer to avoid planes crashing in the sea is to build an even bigger runway. FACT You are Anne Reynolds and I claim £5.00. 😅 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Interesting development https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2024/01/loganair-ceo-hinkles-leaves-with-board-approval/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yibble Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/25/2024 at 5:11 PM, asitis said: If an aircraft enters the sea enthusiastically then it's academic in any case ! My understanding is that the survival rate for ditching in water close to an airport is actually surprisingly high. RNLI training is highly standardised and very specific to RNLI boats and equipment. It would be a big ask to expect volunteers also to train and stay current in processes and equipment specific to airport / aircraft rescue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 8 hours ago, Yibble said: ditching Yes, this word is the key this infers a controlled entry to the water, I was referring glibly to the uncontrolled entry ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Another day of chaos with Loganair today. It does seem that they can't keep their two ATR's flying for more that a few hours, before some other issue, or crisis, arises. Both London City rotations cancelled, as was last night's return. Titan brought in again, for the third time in a week, to operate Heathrow. I estimate that Loganair have cancelled around 40 flights to or from the Island, in that last two weeks, alone. It'll be interesting to see the January stats, when they eventually appear. For comparison, easyJet have canclled six, all month, and they were all on Sunday 21st, when the Airport was effectively closed due to the high winds. Loganair's IOM routes, and base, must be pretty marginal at this time of year, but the costs they are incurring at the moment (EU/UK261, re-routing and hotels, chartering capacity) must mean that they are losing significant money. You do have to wonder how bad it has to get before they throw in the towel, and what contingency plans DfE and/or DoI will have, for such a scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Nellie said: Another day of chaos with Loganair today. It does seem that they can't keep their two ATR's flying for more that a few hours, before some other issue, or crisis, arises. Both London City rotations cancelled, as was last night's return. Titan brought in again, for the third time in a week, to operate Heathrow. I estimate that Loganair have cancelled around 40 flights to or from the Island, in that last two weeks, alone. It'll be interesting to see the January stats, when they eventually appear. For comparison, easyJet have canclled six, all month, and they were all on Sunday 21st, when the Airport was effectively closed due to the high winds. Loganair's IOM routes, and base, must be pretty marginal at this time of year, but the costs they are incurring at the moment (EU/UK261, re-routing and hotels, chartering capacity) must mean that they are losing significant money. You do have to wonder how bad it has to get before they throw in the towel, and what contingency plans DfE and/or DoI will have, for such a scenario. If it had been the boat it would be headlines on every news site plus all over Facebook, questions in Tynwald etc etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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