emesde Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Sorry Roger we were typing at the same time with similar overlap results 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 I travelled through at the weekend. Ringo worked without problems, the staff were friendly and helpful and the planes ran OK too. There was a slight delay on LGW coming home but that was due to French ATC taking industrial action and an earlier rotation being disrupted. All in all, IOM and LGW both worked perfectly and LGW security staff are amazingly friendly and an example for others to follow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Dirty Buggane said: You can get a extremely nice barrier system for the £200,000+ that is being payed to ringo and the 30 odd % they will be getting every year we use their system. We could have one that takes cash cards and online just like what is in use at DBC car parks. The amount that was quoted earlier for the Taunton car parks was £556,000, but that was the complete system for six or seven car parks (and I suspect they were ripped off). A quick google suggests the price for most automatic barriers is around £2,000. It was only said to be the barriers that were the problem with the airport system, so it shouldn't have been massively expensive. But that would have involved knowing what you were doing and getting a complete system off the shelf is the easier option if money is no object. Edited to add: It's notable that Somerset Council didn't replace the failed barrier system with RingGo or similar. They went back to pay-and-display. This has additional costs of enforcement of course, but then so does RingGo, unlike barrier systems. Edited May 28 by Roger Mexico 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 11 minutes ago, emesde said: Sorry Roger we were typing at the same time with similar overlap results 🤣 Ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 One of the reasons for using Ringp is that new car park machines do not take Manx coins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 18 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: The amount that was quoted earlier for the Taunton car parks was £556,000, but that was the complete system for six or seven car parks (and I suspect they were ripped off). A quick google suggests the price for most automatic barriers is around £2,000. It was only said to be the barriers that were the problem with the airport system, so it shouldn't have been massively expensive. But that would have involved knowing what you were doing and getting a complete system off the shelf is the easier option if money is no object. Last year Laxey school had electronic barrier and a lot of other work done for around 40k .so where the minister got his quarter of a million from ?? The electronic barrier with card system itself was 14k .I guess the airport would have needed 2 to replace the existing ones. ""More than £40,000 has been spent improving access and safety at Laxey School. A vehicle barrier was installed last year and a 'pupil corridor fencing' was installed down the side of the school and across the bottom of the car park. The school had previously advised parents not to use the car park - which is now only accessible to staff. The work itself by the Department of Infrastructure, following a request from the Department of Education, Sport and Culture. The barrier, including the intercom and card access, cost £14,048, while the fencing came in at £27,616. Figures from the installation were revealed in a Tynwald Question for Written Answer:""" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 3 hours ago, emesde said: And quite frankly is encapsulated in expressions like if you don't like it you can always use the boat..... It would be interesting to consider just how much of the failure of the Airport to return to its pre-Covid levels is due to people being put off by what they saw as extra hassle from the changes to parking and similar. Certainly the numbers travelling by boat has not just gone back to previous levels, but exceeded them - and not due to TT. And this happened even before the Manxman arrived, so it wasn't people just wanting have a skeet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 2 minutes ago, Two-lane said: One of the reasons for using Ringp is that new car park machines do not take Manx coins. Another lie. The cash machines take what they are programmed to take. M&S and Tesco use machines that take Manx and English coins and notes. But really a credit /debit card reader would probably be sufficient. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 3 hours ago, IOM said: Tesco... . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 4 hours ago, Two-lane said: One of the reasons for using Ringo is that new car park machines do not take Manx coins. We've been through this. At first, we were told it was "impossible" 4 hours ago, emesde said: Another lie. The cash machines take what they are programmed to take. M&S and Tesco use machines that take Manx and English coins and notes. It took me half an hour to find a company in England which would supply a machine to take any currency of your choice, as emesde says above. Hardly impossible. Edited May 28 by quilp 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 That episode brought out the cynic in me. It implies that every country has to have their own individually designed and created machines, that are replaced each time the coinage changes. Unlikely does not even come close. The stated estimated cost for new barriers was, I think, £250,000. Equally unlikely. So, what was the reason. Was a business-case document produced. Was money involved. Or are they just plain not very bright. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 hour ago, The Phantom said: It was quoted a long time ago as justification when they first brought in the Ringo system. It was something ridiculous/obviously biased and £100k's WOW! Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 28 minutes ago, Two-lane said: That episode brought out the cynic in me. It implies that every country has to have their own individually designed and created machines, that are replaced each time the coinage changes. Unlikely does not even come close. The stated estimated cost for new barriers was, I think, £250,000. Equally unlikely. So, what was the reason. Was a business-case document produced. Was money involved. Or are they just plain not very bright. barriers 30k fitting of barriers and a can of WD40 220k the figures add up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_manx Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 2 hours ago, emesde said: Another lie. The cash machines take what they are programmed to take. M&S and Tesco use machines that take Manx and English coins and notes. But really a credit /debit card reader would probably be sufficient. You will still end up with folk who complain that they want to pay with cash.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 20 hours ago, Max Power said: The app is useful if you live in an area with several car parks you regularly use which have Ringo, it's stupid expecting occasional travellers to start downloading apps, registering etc at 6am on a winter's morning. £600k would buy one hell of a token system and barriers, then whatever they collect belongs to the DoI, they are definitely missing out on a lot of car parking revenue! You dont need the app. You can go the information desk and they will do it for you https://www.gov.im/news/2022/may/09/cashless-parking-facility-to-launch-at-isle-of-man-airport/#:~:text=The quickest and easiest way,Apple or Google Play stores. Edited May 28 by Happier diner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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