Airport.

[Dirty Buggane]

There's no money because instead of investing a very small amount in maintaining what we have and using existing personal ie promote people from shop floor.  Who know what the job is about and basically why any of the problems exists, training can be given to learn how to talk management(Thomas would be a great teacher) But no its always let's spaff eye watering money on a airport shopping mall because that is what Heathrow has and look at the money thats making. Nobody goes to Ronaldsway for food and shopping experience its a local airport that would of worked just as well with a couple of portacabins and warehouse to process baggage.

[asitis]

Nobody takes the top jobs here because they want to manage, for instance, a small regional airport or indeed any arm of Government. What they do want to manage is their CV, which demands developments and masterplans and implementations of costly and unnecessary schemes

[Roger Mexico]

9 hours ago, asitis said:

Nobody takes the top jobs here because they want to manage, for instance, a small regional airport or indeed any arm of Government. What they do want to manage is their CV, which demands developments and masterplans and implementations of costly and unnecessary schemes

I don't really think that is true - though it might be a lot better if it was.  If you look at most of these who have been employed in such roles, the real problem isn't them doing a big development project and then leaving with a glowing cv.  It's that they hang around, dreaming up more and more ridiculous and badly-managed ideas, constantly failing at them and then being rewarded by a system that is suspicious of competence and protects failure to prevent any sort of accountability otherwise "who should 'scape whipping".

In any case if you look at the sort of 'projects' that these sort of people put on their cvs nowadays, it's not anything as concrete as building something.  In so far as the jargon means anything it's about privatising and cutting services and  making the lives of the front-line workers less secure.  While the bureaucracy expands and the right people get very rich.

[Roger Mexico]

22 hours ago, Bombay Bad Boy said:

Our award-winning airport. Why are heads not rolling?

https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/ronaldsway-britains-most-disrupted-airport/

The 3FM piece rather confuses two different things - delays and cancellations.  The research it's quoting seems to be mainly about delays.   Of course these can work in opposite directions - think how UK train operators will cancel a rail service to 'improve' punctuality.

I though I'd look again at cancellations first as they caused so much grief last year.  I've worked from the combined annual figures for UK+ airports provided by the CAA.  I've used a standardised list of 40, omitting some which seem not to report cancellation figures or do so intermittently (eg Exeter) and the currently closed (by Peel) Doncaster.  I've worked out the percentage cancelled for each airport, ranked them from highest to lowest and then compared the figures and ranking with 2022 and 2019:

	2023				2022				2019
Airport	#23	Total ATMs	Canx ATMs	% Canx	#22	Total ATMs	Canx ATMs	% Canx	#19	Total ATMs	Canx ATMs	% Canx
BARRA	1	1,383	188	13.59%	1	1,456	220	15.11%	4	1,366	101	7.39%
TIREE	2	1,553	163	10.50%	4	1,471	147	9.99%	5	1,600	118	7.38%
ISLAY	3	1,355	141	10.41%	5	1,397	110	7.87%	1	2,021	212	10.49%
CAMPBELT’N	4	1,057	101	9.56%	2	1,060	133	12.55%	6	1,064	71	6.67%
HUMBERSIDE	5	4,956	438	8.84%	3	4,261	448	10.51%	2	7,341	606	8.26%
ALDERNEY	6	4,382	331	7.55%	8	4,222	180	4.26%	7	4,702	293	6.23%
DUNDEE	7	1,655	94	5.68%	18	1,458	36	2.47%	13	1,212	34	2.81%
ISLE OF MAN	8	10,547	570	5.40%	11	8,842	314	3.55%	20	13,530	175	1.29%
WICK	9	1,128	60	5.32%	12	875	29	3.31%	3	1,397	108	7.73%
BENBECULA	10	2,007	106	5.28%	15	1,977	51	2.58%	11	1,974	63	3.19%
STORNOWAY	11	5,131	266	5.18%	17	4,526	113	2.50%	10	5,876	211	3.59%
KIRKWALL	12	10,320	521	5.05%	13	9,881	285	2.88%	8	11,256	534	4.74%
LONDON CY	13	50,525	2,039	4.04%	9	44,731	1,799	4.02%	16	80,931	1,577	1.95%
NEWQUAY	14	6,048	236	3.90%	21	4,146	80	1.93%	15	8,206	179	2.18%
BELFAST CITY	15	29,373	1,056	3.60%	10	25,308	947	3.74%	24	34,625	312	0.90%
TEESSIDE INT	16	3,210	112	3.49%	39	3,430	17	0.50%	9	3,630	140	3.86%
S’HAMPTON	17	17,909	573	3.20%	7	16,253	767	4.72%	12	32,529	1,018	3.13%
LEEDS BRADF	18	29,281	879	3.00%	19	25,943	547	2.11%	32	29,746	208	0.70%
GUERNSEY	19	16,131	476	2.95%	14	16,127	426	2.64%	18	23,030	387	1.68%
ABERDEEN	20	58,049	1,553	2.68%	22	56,882	1,061	1.87%	14	78,209	2,071	2.65%
SUMBURGH	21	11,763	312	2.65%	26	11,333	155	1.37%	19	12,600	194	1.54%
INVERNESS	22	12,269	313	2.55%	33	10,349	109	1.05%	17	12,733	231	1.81%
GLASGOW	23	63,878	1,574	2.46%	16	58,690	1,506	2.57%	21	79,276	1,010	1.27%
SOUTHEND	24	994	23	2.31%	6	1,120	62	5.54%	26	19,162	167	0.87%
HEATHROW	25	463,854	9,789	2.11%	20	384,383	7,561	1.97%	28	479,811	3,952	0.82%
GATWICK	26	257,778	4,767	1.85%	23	217,495	3,477	1.60%	29	282,896	2,183	0.77%
JERSEY	27	18,337	291	1.59%	28	17,081	217	1.27%	27	24,972	213	0.85%
EDINBURGH	28	111,335	1,748	1.57%	25	93,004	1,372	1.48%	31	127,335	958	0.75%
CARDIFF	29	7,764	113	1.46%	29	6,823	84	1.23%	25	16,688	146	0.87%
M’CHESTER	30	173,688	2,319	1.34%	24	151,724	2,259	1.49%	23	195,926	1,791	0.91%
BRISTOL	31	68,635	876	1.28%	27	56,391	717	1.27%	37	62,556	270	0.43%
NEWCASTLE	32	35,856	447	1.25%	30	31,606	364	1.15%	22	40,169	493	1.23%
LIVERPOOL	33	31,518	375	1.19%	34	26,766	236	0.88%	35	34,976	168	0.48%
BIRM’HAM	34	81,049	948	1.17%	37	71,152	399	0.56%	30	102,515	777	0.76%
LUTON	35	100,380	1,057	1.05%	32	87,792	944	1.08%	36	112,745	515	0.46%
BELFAST INT	36	47,748	463	0.97%	35	38,489	275	0.71%	40	47,228	20	0.04%
DERRY	37	3,040	26	0.86%	31	3,255	36	1.11%	34	3,063	15	0.49%
STANSTED	38	179,193	1,144	0.64%	36	159,812	1,058	0.66%	38	183,566	476	0.26%
EAST MID INT	39	48,694	174	0.36%	38	46,802	240	0.51%	33	56,219	342	0.61%
B/MOUTH	40	6,024	21	0.35%	40	5,066	7	0.14%	39	4,973	4	0.08%
TOTAL		1,979,797	36,683	1.85%		1,713,379	28,788	1.68%		2,243,654	22,343	1.00%

As you can see the main effects on cancellation levels continue to be geography and flight mix.  Those places near the sea and using small aircraft always fare worst.  Those that have a high percentage of charter flights (Bournemouth, East Midlands) tend to not have them cancelled (delays may be different).  Over the the three years though airports tend to remain in the same part of the table.

In that context the move of IOM Airport from 20th to 11th to 8th worst doesn't really look good, now being the largest of the airports in the top third of the table (especially if you look at pax rather than air traffic movements (ATMs).

[Andy Onchan]

On 6/22/2024 at 7:57 AM, asitis said:

Although I think the current management of the airport and its services are weak in many respects, the airport is like all of our public services, there simply is no money ! Anything that costs money to improve at the moment is not viable as staying afloat is the number one priority !

 

Unless it's a project even maintenance can go swivel.

[swoopy2110]

Just to follow up on airport parking. No issues using ringgo here, but, I'm going away for a few days this week.

Ringgo said it would cost me £26 in parking.

Phoned up the car hire places at the airport to find out how much they'd charge. Booked it in with Athol for £22 and I get my car washed as part of the price.

How does that make any sense ?! The people deciding these things in the Government are absolute clowns.

[Banker]

20 minutes ago, swoopy2110 said:

Just to follow up on airport parking. No issues using ringgo here, but, I'm going away for a few days this week.

Ringgo said it would cost me £26 in parking.

Phoned up the car hire places at the airport to find out how much they'd charge. Booked it in with Athol for £22 and I get my car washed as part of the price.

How does that make any sense ?! The people deciding these things in the Government are absolute clowns.

That’s competition for you, private operators will always price cheaper than government. I’ve used athol and downside is sometimes queuing to drop keys off and often queuing to collect keys on return as many either hiring cars which takes time. Airport parks are sometimes more convenient as just drive in , keep keys and then just go straight to car on return.

[Nellie]

1 hour ago, swoopy2110 said:

Just to follow up on airport parking. No issues using ringgo here, but, I'm going away for a few days this week.

Ringgo said it would cost me £26 in parking.

Phoned up the car hire places at the airport to find out how much they'd charge. Booked it in with Athol for £22 and I get my car washed as part of the price.

How does that make any sense ?! The people deciding these things in the Government are absolute clowns.

And also, Athol will be responsible for any damage etc. 

I haven't paid for using the carpark for around 15 years, and always use Athol or Mylchreests. As you say, how the clowns running the Airport failed to consider that they have commercial competitors, beggars belief. 

[kevster]

Incoming from LCY is taking the scenic route

[The Phantom]

3 minutes ago, kevster said:

Incoming from LCY is taking the scenic route

Foggy 

[Roger Ram]

30 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

Foggy 

Someone will be along to blame DOI soon enough.

[The Phantom]

2 minutes ago, Roger Ram said:

Someone will be along to blame DOI soon enough.

Maybe the big windmills we'll never get could blow it away in the future?

[Andy Onchan]

Bloody DOI. 😁

[swoopy2110]

1 hour ago, Roger Ram said:

Someone will be along to blame DOI soon enough.

Decent ILS system & better lighting might have made a difference

[wrighty]

18 hours ago, swoopy2110 said:

Just to follow up on airport parking. No issues using ringgo here, but, I'm going away for a few days this week.

Ringgo said it would cost me £26 in parking.

Phoned up the car hire places at the airport to find out how much they'd charge. Booked it in with Athol for £22 and I get my car washed as part of the price.

How does that make any sense ?! The people deciding these things in the Government are absolute clowns.

Shut up, don't tell everyone. I always use Athol and get my car cleaned/valeted - it's the only time it happens. Park right next to the terminal, never had to wait more than a few minutes on return.  Great value compared with parking on the official site and coming back to find your car's been towed away because you returned an hour late.