WTF Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 hours ago, Gladys said: Yes, I know, interesting but little known. He was here in the 70s opening something and I got his autograph. 'opening something' eh ? that's a new one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Roger Mexico said: It's not so much whether it was better when staff were directly employed but whether it is easier to fix things when they go wrong or improve service when you need to. Contracted out it becomes difficult, elaborate, long-winded and expensive to do. Especially when your contractor is a multinational with long chains of command and negotiation. As for making money, you have to ask at whose expense. If the outsourcer the government, then there is the danger that 'savings' are only being made at the expense of other parts of the system (see also the discussion on locums). Some taxes, VAT, NI, profits, etc may end up off-Island and if as in this case the employees outsourced are low-paid there may be associated social security costs . Of course these are the type of 'savings' the civil service love to make, providing their tiny silo looks good. But others should take the wider view. I agree that in principle that employing labour directly and running an operation yourself sounds a good one However history has proven it isn't. Don't forget that contractors, if well chosen, are experts in their fields. That gives an economy of scale that trying to do specialist things yourself cannot achieve. Of course, both methods are fraught with opportunity to fail or be hopelessly inefficient. I just speak from personal experience that the flexibility of buying a service is marginally better, but only if expertly managed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, asitis said: The problem here is contracts, Government contracts you can invariably drive a horse and cart through, the amount of in house litigation is remarkable. We either sign shit contracts, or we issue and then sign shit contracts ! The gov took contacts in house about 10 years ago (Because they thought it would save money and it also meant they could employ more Civil Servants) and the contracts are so badly written they are open to massive abuse. They thought they would save money by getting rid of engineering/ construction consultants but in doing so they forgot to themselves employ professionals qualified to run and administer construction contracts in the CS and it has/ is costing them very dear. I mean, there are people signing off hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of monthly payments to contractors who are not in any way qualified to do so. Good for the lucky contractors but not so good for the taxpayer or even the contractors long term because there is now a total lack of professionals on island capable of designing or managing any works much bigger than a double garage building project .................... See the prom as just one example. Edited February 24, 2022 by Boris Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamon Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, asitis said: This is the twitter account of the IOM airport head of security. Follow Jules Lark @voyagerjules Security consultant and unintentional gypsy. Mother of dragons, recovering monogymist. Seeks laughter and kindness to relieve the stress! Isle of Man, United KingdomBorn March 11Joined July 2010 329 Following 56 Followers Not followed by anyone you’re following Employed by Noonan Services Group (UK) Ltd ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManxTaxPayer Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 51 minutes ago, 0bserver said: How many mangers are actually employed? Well they need somewhere to feed on all that cash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 The airport website is currently showing a “ ticker “ notice saying that the airport car parks are expected to be full tomorrow ( no shit with them being free) and asking people to find an alternative for getting to/from the airport. Is getting new bits for the barrier mechanism, ticket machine, or whatever the problem going to be as drawn out as the flume debacle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 45 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: The airport website is currently showing a “ ticker “ notice saying that the airport car parks are expected to be full tomorrow There is another ticker-tape thing at the bottom of the web page that is near-illegible because of badly chosen colour schemes. Just above it, it says "Stay up to date", but it is just as well that is mostly illegible because all the items are dated year 2021. How much did us pensioners pay for this? It is still possible to rent an advertising section for £350 per month. I'm tempted to book one for a month just to let everyone know how crap the management is. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said: Is getting new bits for the barrier mechanism, ticket machine, or whatever the problem going to be as drawn out as the flume debacle? Very possibly it takes 4 months to get an electrician to do a half hour job on broken airport installations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 19 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: The airport website is currently showing a “ ticker “ notice saying that the airport car parks are expected to be full tomorrow ( no shit with them being free) and asking people to find an alternative for getting to/from the airport. Is getting new bits for the barrier mechanism, ticket machine, or whatever the problem going to be as drawn out as the flume debacle? Probably, Crookall was on radio saying they can’t get replacement parts as no longer made, the ticket machines available are not able to take Manx pound coins & so a whole new system required! Could just have a bloke on gate with card machine charging any parking , probably pay for itself quickly. Could get that bloke who is always shouting at people for stopping to let people out or in when there’s nowhere to stop or park to do it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtosser Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Last nights easyJet flight from Gatwick got put in a holding pattern. Captain said it was due to the fact IOM had no available ATC staff and they had to wait for someone to come on shift. To be fair it was only for a few minutes but seemed very strange. Dr Al was on the flight so might do something about it. The car park is complete chaos, people parked across junctions, in flowerbeds all along the roadways that would have double yellows on if they were capable of maintaining them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, fredtosser said: Last nights easyJet flight from Gatwick got put in a holding pattern. Captain said it was due to the fact IOM had no available ATC staff and they had to wait for someone to come on shift. To be fair it was only for a few minutes but seemed very strange. Dr Al was on the flight so might do something about it. The car park is complete chaos, people parked across junctions, in flowerbeds all along the roadways that would have double yellows on if they were capable of maintaining them. These are the current notices to airmen published by EGNS ... Will be active in 3 days: ISLE OF MAN SURVEILLANCE BASED SER NOT AVBL DUE ATC STAFFING. OUTSIDE THESE HR RADAR SUBJ SHORT NOTICE CLOSURE PROMULGATED BY ATIS. PROCEDURAL SER ONLY. 2203030730-2203261930 Active, expires in a month: RWY 03/21 CLOSED 2202160615-2203311945 Active, expires in an hour: ISLE OF MAN SURVEILLANCE BASED SER NOT AVBL DUE ATC STAFFING. PROCEDURAL SER ONLY. 2202191800-2202281800 Active, expires in 2 hours: ISLE OF MAN SURVEILLANCE BASED SER NOT AVBL DUE ATC STAFFING. OUTSIDE THESE HR RAD SUBJ SHORT NOTICE CLOSURE PROMULGATED BY ATIS. PROCEDURAL SER ONLY. 2201010730-2202281930 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, fredtosser said: Last nights easyJet flight from Gatwick got put in a holding pattern. Captain said it was due to the fact IOM had no available ATC staff and they had to wait for someone to come on shift. To be fair it was only for a few minutes but seemed very strange. Dr Al was on the flight so might do something about it. The car park is complete chaos, people parked across junctions, in flowerbeds all along the roadways that would have double yellows on if they were capable of maintaining them. In fairness it wouldn’t have taken them very long to appraise them of the pattern capacity. So nobody in the tower, basically? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopy2110 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Banker said: Probably, Crookall was on radio saying they can’t get replacement parts as no longer made, the ticket machines available are not able to take Manx pound coins & so a whole new system required! Could just have a bloke on gate with card machine charging any parking , probably pay for itself quickly. Could get that bloke who is always shouting at people for stopping to let people out or in when there’s nowhere to stop or park to do it! Who still pays with cash these days ! Alternately, change the IOM pound coin to the same as the UK over a period of time. Edited February 28, 2022 by swoopy2110 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, swoopy2110 said: Alternately, change the IOM pound coin to the same as the UK over a period of time. Not that simple. The UK Royal Mint does not allow other jurisdictions to replicate the design as part of their anti-forgery protocols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Banker said: Could just have a bloke on gate with card machine charging any parking , probably pay for itself quickly. You’ve obviously forgotten the long thousands stolen by the man with the ticket machine at Shaws Brow. Anyone can get a card reader nowadays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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