swoopy2110 Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 2 minutes ago, Nellie said: LCY also diverted to LPL which suggests ATC closed earlier than both airlines expected, as they surely wouldn't have left otherwise. Shambles of a place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 7 minutes ago, Nellie said: LCY also diverted to LPL which suggests ATC closed earlier than both airlines expected, as they surely wouldn't have left otherwise. That’s what is being said on Facebook, blaming ATC for having a tea break which is not strictly true, also Treasury minister is apparently on Gatwick flight!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 2 minutes ago, swoopy2110 said: Shambles of a place Indeed it is. I’ve just booked an Easyjet flight to Liverpool in December, returning the next day. No baggage just an overnight bag which meets the conditions for under seat storage. The return journey has cost just under £48. This should be a cause for celebration. It’s brilliant ( or would be) if I dont have to spend the next 3 or 4 months wondering whether each leg will actually operate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinpot Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 7 minutes ago, swoopy2110 said: Shambles of a place Maybe wait and get some facts first? Who knows what could have happened to lead to ATC suddenly become short staffed! As an example. If I was at work and got a call that a family member was suddenly very ill, or that my house was on fire I would be out of the door regardless of if it meant some flights being diverted. I have no idea what has gone one, just thinking of scenarios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordonzola Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 Another day and another drama at Isle of Man Airport. More flights disrupted because of ATC issues… Who is accountable for ATC? If it’s the ATC manager others have identified as causing issues and staff to leave…when will government hold him accountable for failing at his job? How does IoM Government allow someone to hold such a post for 5 years with such public failings… 🤦♂️ I lost my first job in Shoprite many years ago because I admittedly was falling short of my duties…the errors of youth! This chap runs ATC! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 5 minutes ago, Gordonzola said: I lost my first job in Shoprite many years ago because I admittedly was falling short of my duties…the errors of youth! 🎵 I've been going out with a girl, her name is Jubrie. 🎵 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StCatherine Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 8 minutes ago, Gordonzola said: Another day and another drama at Isle of Man Airport. More flights disrupted because of ATC issues… Who is accountable for ATC? If it’s the ATC manager others have identified as causing issues and staff to leave…when will government hold him accountable for failing at his job? How does IoM Government allow someone to hold such a post for 5 years with such public failings… 🤦♂️ I lost my first job in Shoprite many years ago because I admittedly was falling short of my duties…the errors of youth! This chap runs ATC! There has been a lot of senior management job creation at the airport in recent years but it’s all well buried unless you want to go routing round on LinkedIn . The peasants don’t deserve to know who the management team are through the website. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 12 minutes ago, Gordonzola said: Who is accountable for ATC? If it’s the ATC manager others have identified as causing issues and staff to leave…when will government hold him accountable for failing at his job? How does IoM Government allow someone to hold such a post for 5 years with such public failings… 🤦♂️ Exactly this. If anyone who has a fancy job title like "Head of....anything" has been in post for five years and they aren't now managing a stable, well-run and efficient team, they should be out of a job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 1 minute ago, Tinpot said: Maybe wait and get some facts first? Who knows what could have happened to lead to ATC suddenly become short staffed! As an example. If I was at work and got a call that a family member was suddenly very ill, or that my house was on fire I would be out of the door regardless of if it meant some flights being diverted. I have no idea what has gone one, just thinking of scenarios But the operators of the airport, given that scenario, should be prepared or have contingency measures in place for it given the nature of the job and the implications of someone having to suddenly leave work ( house fire or whatever) If you were in a different job, say a stock replacement operative in Tesco’s the implications of your suddenly having to leave would not impact your customers to the same extent in that they would miss a flight ( maybe to visit a family member who suddenly became very ill) Thus ATC should have strict contingency measures in place in case of illness ( which is inevitable) to ensure that the wheels keep turning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: But the operators of the airport, given that scenario, should be prepared or have contingency measures in place for it given the nature of the job and the implications of someone having to suddenly leave work ( house fire or whatever) If you were in a different job, say a stock replacement operative in Tesco’s the implications of your suddenly having to leave would not impact your customers to the same extent in that they would miss a flight ( maybe to visit a family member who suddenly became very ill) Thus ATC should have strict contingency measures in place in case of illness ( which is inevitable) to ensure that the wheels keep turning. Of course it would help massively if the ATC manager was qualified to land planes as the job should require ! Edited August 25 by Numbnuts 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Poppins Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 I'm not sure this is an isolated incident of closing early. You might want to check the published airfield opening times for September... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 11 hours ago, La Colombe said: 🎵 I've been going out with a girl, her name is Jubrie. 🎵 that took me back 40+ years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 10 hours ago, Hairy Poppins said: I'm not sure this is an isolated incident of closing early. You might want to check the published airfield opening times for September... Surely the airlines know in advance when the closures are? I see the Logan air flight to Manchester is stating that it is delayed 45 minutes due to ATC problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 13 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: But the operators of the airport, given that scenario, should be prepared or have contingency measures in place for it given the nature of the job and the implications of someone having to suddenly leave work ( house fire or whatever) If you were in a different job, say a stock replacement operative in Tesco’s the implications of your suddenly having to leave would not impact your customers to the same extent in that they would miss a flight ( maybe to visit a family member who suddenly became very ill) Thus ATC should have strict contingency measures in place in case of illness ( which is inevitable) to ensure that the wheels keep turning. It’s difficult to have a robust contingency plan with no staff. They barely have enough to cover normal hours. although it could have also been technical failure that caused the closure. Again, we’re all in the mushroom club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 17 minutes ago, cissolt said: Surely the airlines know in advance when the closures are? I see the Logan air flight to Manchester is stating that it is delayed 45 minutes due to ATC problems. Checking FR24, that's becasue they are waiting for the plane (G-LMTC) that diverted to LPL to get back here, and they will then be unable to get out before the daily shutdown between (I think) 11.00 and 11.35. So, yes, it is an ATC delay again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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