Airport.

[x-in-man]

I know for a fact that airlines will look for any excuse NOT to fly here.

If they have built up delays during the day, they would rather piss off 20 people flying here than 250 people flying to Europe/a more profitable route.   If it means that they will have crew and equipment stuck here overnight instead of being re-positioned in the UK - then they will drop the flight.

TT saw crew stuck here - a 'discount' hotel chain passed on an invoice for 3 figures (closer to 4 figures) for ONE NIGHT - for ONE PERSON.

One airline sits on the gate here - openly re-questioning everything given to it by the tower.  They claim they didn't hear instructions several times over a period of 10 to 15 mins to build in a delay that means they can use the ATC break as an excuse for the return leg not happening.  Flight Radar shows the equipment tasked for another flight as soon as it leaves the runway rather than its return.

It's a bloody farce.

Cobb no longer (if ever) gives a shit.  He has is office packed ready to go.  He wont be seen on the floor of the airport with 'great unwashed' until he checks in with his baggage for the last time.

 

 

[Hairy Poppins]

They've issued this NOTAM which shows the airfield effectively closing at 2030 every day. 

Closing 1945UTC with last movement 15 minutes before at 1930UTC - 2020BST. 

Seems to be operational until the end of September at least.

 

[Hairy Poppins]

Double post due to atc issues 

Edited August 26 by Hairy Poppins
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[asitis]

From rumour, which may or may not be accurate I really don't know, this could get much worse !

 

[Amadeus]

21 minutes ago, asitis said:

From rumour, which may or may not be accurate I really don't know, this could get much worse !

 

Not that IOMG would ever hold anyone responsible for anything, but who fucked this up? The previous clowns? 

[Happier diner]

1 hour ago, x-in-man said:

I know for a fact that airlines will look for any excuse NOT to fly here

They don't need an excuse. They are under no obligation. They choose to fly here to make money. 

[asitis]

35 minutes ago, Amadeus said:

Not that IOMG would ever hold anyone responsible for anything, but who fucked this up? The previous clowns? 

In my opinion the Airport management have been sadly lacking for a large number of years, and nothing has changed. Significant reforms are needed, but of course the self preservation means no one is prepared to tackle the root causes, merely kick the can down the road. We have lost sight of the core business and surrounded the place with bureaucracy which has done nothing to improve anything of substance.

I do hope the CS think long and hard before they jump into another appointment, the nature of which we have historically had .

[Banker]

1 hour ago, x-in-man said:

I know for a fact that airlines will look for any excuse NOT to fly here.

If they have built up delays during the day, they would rather piss off 20 people flying here than 250 people flying to Europe/a more profitable route.   If it means that they will have crew and equipment stuck here overnight instead of being re-positioned in the UK - then they will drop the flight.

TT saw crew stuck here - a 'discount' hotel chain passed on an invoice for 3 figures (closer to 4 figures) for ONE NIGHT - for ONE PERSON.

One airline sits on the gate here - openly re-questioning everything given to it by the tower.  They claim they didn't hear instructions several times over a period of 10 to 15 mins to build in a delay that means they can use the ATC break as an excuse for the return leg not happening.  Flight Radar shows the equipment tasked for another flight as soon as it leaves the runway rather than its return.

It's a bloody farce.

Cobb no longer (if ever) gives a shit.  He has is office packed ready to go.  He wont be seen on the floor of the airport with 'great unwashed' until he checks in with his baggage for the last time.

 

 

ATC shortages across Europe causing major delays, thought it was just IOM😂 issued today by Ryanair 

Ryanair has reissued a warning about flight delays across services to and from European destinations. The budget airline said that some 12% of its "first wave departures" were delayed on Monday.

This equated to 71 of 590 aircraft taking off later than scheduled, with Ryanair citing air traffic control (ATC) staff shortages as the reason for the delays. In an alert on its website, Ryanair said it "apologised to its passengers for the excessive flight delays caused by European ATC staff shortages today Mon 26 Aug which is affecting all European airlines."

[Nellie]

2 hours ago, Hairy Poppins said:

They've issued this NOTAM which shows the airfield effectively closing at 2030 every day. 

Closing 1945UTC with last movement 15 minutes before at 1930UTC - 2020BST. 

Seems to be operational until the end of September at least.

 

Well, based in the last few week's performance, easyJet will never be able to get in, and out again, by 20.30 which will put a big question mark over the Gatwick everynight. They will be mightily pissed off to have the goal post moved with virtually no notice. 

Loganair will struggle too, and have already advised pax of changes to LCY timings to try and get back before this new curfew. 

When, is someone going to be held accountable for this. I wonder what other options they have considered? Perhaps they should close altogether, for a couple of hours in the middle of the day, when there is sod all happening?

Edited August 26 by Nellie

[Banker]

36 minutes ago, Nellie said:

Well, based in the last few week's performance, easyJet will never be able to get in, and out again, by 20.30 which will put a big question mark over the Gatwick everynight. They will be mightily pissed off to have the goal post moved with virtually no notice. 

Loganair will struggle too, and have already advised pax of changes to LCY timings to try and get back before this new curfew. 

When, is someone going to be held accountable for this. I wonder what other options they have considered? Perhaps they should close altogether, for a couple of hours in the middle of the day, when there is sod all happening?

Well easyJet Gatwick is supposed to land at 19.35 & depart at 20.05 so easyJet need to get their act together & not blame ATC every time they are delayed 

[Tinpot]

40 minutes ago, Nellie said:

idered? Perhaps they should close altogether, for a couple of hours in the middle of the day, when there is sod all happening?

How would that help?

[Nellie]

1 minute ago, Banker said:

Well easyJet Gatwick is supposed to land at 19.35 & depart at 20.05 so easyJet need to get their act together & not blame ATC every time they are delayed 

Indeed! But they have only managed that a handful of times across the Summer timetable, usually blaming Gatwick ATC for being slow getting out of there. Anyway, we'll see in a few hours as the plane scheduled for this evening flight already has an adjusted departure time of 20.36, so that's going to be touch and go.

[cheesypeas]

So when there are eight planes in a queue to depart LGW, and six on approach to land, the IOM flight should push to the front of the queue? 
 

 

[Nellie]

57 minutes ago, Tinpot said:

How would that help?

Pretty obvious really. You create a fire break between the early and late shifts, allowing the later shift to remain on duty later. I'd imagine it's a bit trickier than that, but desperate times require desperate solutions.

[Tinpot]

1 minute ago, Nellie said:

Pretty obvious really. You create a fire break between the early and late shifts, allowing the later shift to remain on duty later. I'd imagine it's a bit trickier than that, but desperate times require desperate solutions.

It’s nothing to do with length of shifts.  Its time between breaks so would make no difference.