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On 9/1/2024 at 5:45 PM, Vaaish said:

with fares to Heathrow about £300 back in the late 90s.

Boring - try a new line of attack.  The flights went 3 times a day without fail as did the entire Manx Airlines operation; you knew that if you had a meeting in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Glasgow, Belfast, Dublin you could get there and back on the day with a 99% certainty the flights would run. You were fed, watered and didn't have to pay twice as much as the fare itself to put some bags on board.

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4 hours ago, LooseChange said:

low cost carrier prices

There are none!  It's the marketing coup of the 21st century and still people fall for it.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LOW COST AIRLINE and there never has been.

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4 minutes ago, Utah 01 said:

Boring - try a new line of attack.  The flights went 3 times a day without fail as did the entire Manx Airlines operation; you knew that if you had a meeting in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Glasgow, Belfast, Dublin you could get there and back on the day with a 99% certainty the flights would run. You were fed, watered and didn't have to pay twice as much as the fare itself to put some bags on board.

But as has been pointed out, you paid WAY more for that luxury.

You can’t compare the service back then  to the service now without taking into account the significantly lower prices we pay now.

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1 minute ago, Tinpot said:

to the service now without taking into account the significantly lower prices we pay now.

..............because we no longer enjoy a 'service', merely a hand-me down and charity from easyjet and Loganair operations. Manx Airlines provided air services for the Island, services that were offered to the Castletown Iron Monger and refused.

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14 hours ago, Utah 01 said:

The flights went 3 times a day without fail as did the entire Manx Airlines operation; you knew that if you had a meeting in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Glasgow, Belfast, Dublin you could get there and back on the day with a 99% certainty the flights would run.

No direct flights to Glasgow any more - you have to go via London with a lengthy wait for the connection.   So you pay more to take longer, with less convenience.

eta: also, five times the distance to fly to Glasgow via London!

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16 minutes ago, Utah 01 said:

Boring - try a new line of attack.  The flights went 3 times a day without fail as did the entire Manx Airlines operation; you knew that if you had a meeting in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Glasgow, Belfast, Dublin you could get there and back on the day with a 99% certainty the flights would run. You were fed, watered and didn't have to pay twice as much as the fare itself to put some bags on board.

Touchy. It wasn’t an attack of any kind - simply an economic observation. Yes, reliability was better and no, there weren’t add ons. But those provisions were undeniably costly. The cost of a return to Heathrow in the Manx Airlines days was a far greater percentage of an average weekly wage than is the case now. Perhaps however that is an inevitability if the Island is to benefit from an airline focussed on serving the Island, as Manx Airlines was, rather than being a sideshow for providers for whom the Island means little.

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50 minutes ago, Jarndyce said:

No direct flights to Glasgow any more - you have to go via London with a lengthy wait for the connection.   So you pay more to take longer, with less convenience.

Edinburgh + £70 cab? 

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9 minutes ago, lfc84 said:

Can't use avios and the cabin baggage allowance isn't as good as BA

The cabin luggage rules are more restrictive on Loganair simply because there’s no way on God’s green earth you’d get a full size cabin bag in the lockers on the ATR72. Same reason why Emerald/Aer Lingus Regional have a different smaller cabin bag allowance to that on mainline Aer Lingus.

You can check your bags through, I’ve done it a few times through Heathrow and it’s been pretty seamless (so far, touch wood). The most annoying bit is having to get the shuttle bus from T2 to T5, but as I like looking at planes I don’t even mind that bit.

And if there’s a delay with a through ticket it’s still up to BA to fix it. You can’t spend Avios but you do earn Avios and BA tier points.

 

2 hours ago, Utah 01 said:

we no longer enjoy a 'service', merely a hand-me down and charity from easyjet and Loganair operations

Loganair use on-island crew, including pilots. Paul Quine’s with them. They have a genuine proper presence here.

 

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Easyjet summer 25 flights out are out.

Seems to be a reduction in flights offered to us next summer - only 1 Liverpool rotation on a Monday & Friday. No Tuesday or Saturday flights to LPL or MAN .. add Wednesday into that from Septemeber.

No Belfast flight loaded at all.

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13 hours ago, Utah 01 said:

Boring - try a new line of attack.  The flights went 3 times a day without fail as did the entire Manx Airlines operation; you knew that if you had a meeting in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Glasgow, Belfast, Dublin you could get there and back on the day with a 99% certainty the flights would run. You were fed, watered and didn't have to pay twice as much as the fare itself to put some bags on board.

The other benefit with Manx Airlines if you arrived early and there was a availability they would book you on for free, first class service and at the time it did not appear to be expensive.

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35 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said:

Just looked again and actually you can use Avios. They don’t do reward flights but you can use your Avios to pay for the Loganair flights booked through BA.

you're looking at part pay with Avios which is a poor deal and is a revenue ticket.

i'm talking about reward flights

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