Andy Onchan Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 2 hours ago, Beelzebub3 said: The other benefit with Manx Airlines if you arrived early and there was a availability they would book you on for free, first class service and at the time it did not appear to be expensive. To be fair I think Logan offer the same, don't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 14 hours ago, Ringy Rose said: Loganair and Manx were the same company at that time. Funny how these things come around. Aye and Manx born Peter Simpson former Manx Airlines chief accountant(?) was Exec Chairman of Loganair until April 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 5 hours ago, Beelzebub3 said: The other benefit with Manx Airlines if you arrived early and there was a availability they would book you on for free, first class service and at the time it did not appear to be expensive. Aer Lingus/Emerald do that now however you have to pay extra for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 3 hours ago, lfc84 said: you're looking at part pay with Avios which is a poor deal and is a revenue ticket. i'm talking about reward flights True about reward flights. Which is annoying if you’re wanting the protection of having the connection inside your long haul reward flight. Apparently according to FlyerTalk it’s because Loganair’s booking system isn’t compatible with Avios. For Loganair-only bookings the Clan Loganair scheme gives better value anyway, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 3 hours ago, Andy Onchan said: To be fair I think Logan offer the same, don't they? Depends on the ticket type. No on the cheapest Fly ticket, yes on the middle tier Fly Flex ticket. The Fly Flex is normally about £20 more and you also get free seat selection (for what it’s worth) and a larger hold luggage allowance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 5 hours ago, swoopy2110 said: Easyjet summer 25 flights out are out. Seems to be a reduction in flights offered to us next summer - only 1 Liverpool rotation on a Monday & Friday. No Tuesday or Saturday flights to LPL or MAN .. add Wednesday into that from Septemeber. No Belfast flight loaded at all. Also quite a few days when there is only one Gatwick, but I think that is similar to this year. We really are becoming a real aviation backwater. Less flights must surely deter the ATCO's etc we need from wanting to work here. It's a spiral of decline which will be really difficult to arrest. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 6 hours ago, Beelzebub3 said: The other benefit with Manx Airlines if you arrived early and there was a availability they would book you on for free, first class service and at the time it did not appear to be expensive. That is still true in the US and Africa. Arrive early and it's usually easy and free to change your flight to an earlier one. I think it's just the UK (and maybe Europe) that actively try to ensure that flying is a hate filled experience nowadays. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 13 minutes ago, Nellie said: Also quite a few days when there is only one Gatwick, but I think that is similar to this year. We really are becoming a real aviation backwater. Less flights must surely deter the ATCO's etc we need from wanting to work here. It's a spiral of decline which will be really difficult to arrest. A friend of mine left the IOM ATC for that reason. Once Easyjet started coming in with the bigger planes, the airport was handling same numbers of passengers but with significantly less flights. He said it just became boring. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 1 hour ago, Nellie said: It's a spiral of decline which will be really difficult to arrest. The simple fact is that EasyJet distort the market. One EasyJet A320 can carry as many passengers as almost three ATR72 aircraft. Even their smaller A319s carry more passengers than two ATR72. So if easyJet are hoovering up the passengers then you will get fewer flights and you will get less choice of timings. If one easyJet is the equivalent of three Loganair then that’s why the frequencies are reduced. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOM Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 9 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: The simple fact is that EasyJet distort the market. One EasyJet A320 can carry as many passengers as almost three ATR72 aircraft. Even their smaller A319s carry more passengers than two ATR72. So if easyJet are hoovering up the passengers then you will get fewer flights and you will get less choice of timings. If one easyJet is the equivalent of three Loganair then that’s why the frequencies are reduced. Exactly this we are ending up with reduced frequencies and fewer flights . However unfortunately a lot of people just can’t see what is happening in fact some posters actively trumpet EasyJet and make out it’s the answer for the island when it really isn’t with things like this happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 40 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: The simple fact is that EasyJet distort the market. One EasyJet A320 can carry as many passengers as almost three ATR72 aircraft. Even their smaller A319s carry more passengers than two ATR72. So if easyJet are hoovering up the passengers then you will get fewer flights and you will get less choice of timings. If one easyJet is the equivalent of three Loganair then that’s why the frequencies are reduced. Less ATCOs and ancillary staff required then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 11 minutes ago, Banker said: Less ATCOs and ancillary staff required then? But isn't that a huge part of the problem, that costs don't reduce with the number of flights and the number of passengers! It does make you question whether we need highly paid people in charge of Route Development, Marketing etc. as whatever they are doing, clearly isn't working. That jolly they all went on the the 'Routes' conference in Poland a year or two ago was clearly a total waste! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfc84 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 Increase the population and you'll get more travellers 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 19 minutes ago, Banker said: Less ATCOs and ancillary staff required then? Nope, still need sufficient to man the posts all day with the dictated rest periods. Otherwise you get the embarrassing delays we are currently experiencing. You can't just turn them on and roll them out when a flight is due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 1 hour ago, Banker said: Less ATCOs and ancillary staff required then? Not really, you still need cover all day long. As we’ve seen recently, ATCOs taking their breaks and closing the tower when no aircraft are scheduled is all well and good until one of those aircraft get delayed for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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