Airport.

[Roger Mexico]

2 hours ago, madmanxpilot said:

Old news - that was from 2023.

However, the spin is just as evident then as it is now.

That was the sort of thing I was thing of with regard to past management pronouncements.  It's interesting that we haven't heard much from Mr Pugh since.  Was he the only member of "the air-traffic control team willing to appear on camera" or just the only one allowed to?

[madmanxpilot]

11 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

That was the sort of thing I was thing of with regard to past management pronouncements.  It's interesting that we haven't heard much from Mr Pugh since.  Was he the only member of "the air-traffic control team willing to appear on camera" or just the only one allowed to?

I was told at the time that he did ask some of the ATCOs to appear, but they told him to f**k off.

Nothing has improved really since then. Yes, we are down to two daily closures from five, but this is not due to extra staff being available, it’s down to the existing ones having their rosters stretched to the limit and having to effectively work 8 hours overtime every week.

Even if  nobody else cries enough and quits in the interim,  we are still years away from having a full complement of ATCOs.

The existing staff are being pushed to the limit, and that is not good for many reasons.

Perhaps it’s time to close the airport for half a day a couple of times per week and run a proper service for the rest of the time.? That may be what it’s coming to. It certainly can’t go on like it is.

 

Edited Tuesday at 08:09 AM by madmanxpilot

[lfc84]

 

you have probably seen a post on twitter yesterday by Paul Moulton about this. however, it is not new.  i posted it on 2 august.

 

 

 

but no one gives a toss about the DUB route because so few use it

 

 

[IOM]

48 minutes ago, lfc84 said:

 

you have probably seen a post on twitter yesterday by Paul Moulton about this. however, it is not new.  i posted it on 2 august.

 

 

 

but no one gives a toss about the DUB route because so few use it

 

 

Am not sure you can say that only a few people use it when there was nearly 39000 passengers flying the route in 2023 ! 

[WTF]

3 hours ago, madmanxpilot said:

 

The existing staff are being pushed to the limit, and that is not good for many reasons.

 

perhaps on hours permitted to work, but the workload is not what anybody would call busy, barely tickover compared to many places

[Roger Mexico]

27 minutes ago, WTF said:

perhaps on hours permitted to work, but the workload is not what anybody would call busy, barely tickover compared to many places

Perhaps not, though busier towers might have more people to cover, while we have the minimum.  But as Wiki says:

Many countries regulate work hours to ensure that controllers are able to remain focused and effective. Research has shown that when controllers remain "on position" for more than two hours without a break, performance can deteriorate rapidly, even at low traffic levels.  Many national regulations, therefore, require breaks at least every two hours

(there are links in the article to sources).  So the workload level may be less of a factor than you think.

[madmanxpilot]

46 minutes ago, WTF said:

perhaps on hours permitted to work, but the workload is not what anybody would call busy, barely tickover compared to many places

Indeed, but boredom is often more tiring than working!

Edited to add, the ‘incident’ a few weeks back that saw aircraft return to their departure airports from airborne was due to controller fatigue.

The controller felt too tired to continue their shift. A bold but correct decision on the controllers part in consideration of the obvious consequences.

Edited Tuesday at 11:42 AM by madmanxpilot

[Albert Tatlock]

4 hours ago, madmanxpilot said:

Perhaps it’s time to close the airport for half a day a couple of times per week and run a proper service for the rest of the time.? That may be what it’s coming to. It certainly can’t go on like it is.

 

That sounds a sensible compromise. With a couple of months notice, surely most airlines could reschedule around that?

[Non-Believer]

1 hour ago, madmanxpilot said:

The controller felt too tired to continue their shift.

Jebus, one hopes that this doesn't filter through to the rest of govt, it'll become accepted practice faster than a greased ringy up a drainpipe...

[Andy Onchan]

37 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Jebus, one hopes that this doesn't filter through to the rest of govt, it'll become accepted practice faster than a greased ringy up a drainpipe...

Post COVID there are still plenty of Cyrils working from home!

[Amadeus]

That the airport tractor? 
 

https://www.easyliveauction.com/catalogue/lot/cefc4179abcaa0eb4d6d9b54ace6520a/0af8d24542e81eb9357e7ef448a6646f/vehicle-and-equipment-more-lots-to-follow-lot-62/

[Numbnuts]

13 minutes ago, Amadeus said:

That the airport tractor? 
 

https://www.easyliveauction.com/catalogue/lot/cefc4179abcaa0eb4d6d9b54ace6520a/0af8d24542e81eb9357e7ef448a6646f/vehicle-and-equipment-more-lots-to-follow-lot-62/

Yes , where’s the boat though. Would assume there going to sell that as it’s not going anywhere without the tractor.

[Andy Onchan]

18 minutes ago, Amadeus said:

That the airport tractor? 
 

https://www.easyliveauction.com/catalogue/lot/cefc4179abcaa0eb4d6d9b54ace6520a/0af8d24542e81eb9357e7ef448a6646f/vehicle-and-equipment-more-lots-to-follow-lot-62/

Given the 200th anniversary of the RNLI you'd think that perhaps they might be interested in that for a station somewhere in the British Isles?

I'd rather it go to RNLI for nowt (as a donation) if I knew it would do some good. I'll be surprised if it goes for anything more than £2K.

[Mistercee]

43 minutes ago, Amadeus said:

That the airport tractor? 
 

https://www.easyliveauction.com/catalogue/lot/cefc4179abcaa0eb4d6d9b54ace6520a/0af8d24542e81eb9357e7ef448a6646f/vehicle-and-equipment-more-lots-to-follow-lot-62/

This probably cost north of £150k and has only run for 99 hours - someone should be sacked!! 

The trailer is also for sale in the auction but no mention of the boat. 

This sort of specialist kit should, IMHO, be going to a specialist UK auction - not a small local one.   

[Numbnuts]

39 minutes ago, Mistercee said:

This probably cost north of £150k and has only run for 99 hours - someone should be sacked!! 

The trailer is also for sale in the auction but no mention of the boat. 

This sort of specialist kit should, IMHO, be going to a specialist UK auction - not a small local one.   

Could have used it as a bird scarer , would have saved loads as there taking a big hit on what they paid. Buffoons …. How did treasury ever authorise the purchase. So a Tractor , trailer and I’m sure a boat all not needed or not workable . ….Park it alongside the Cabbage ….another epic fail.