A fool and his money..... Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 35 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: Flying commercially must be one of the most disagreeable experiences these days (short of the prostate exam but I'm getting to like that). If you look shifty going through security you can combine both. 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 46 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: Flying commercially must be one of the most disagreeable experiences these days (short of the prostate exam but I'm getting to like that). I used to look forward to flying, but faced with the nonsense of pointless security checks and all the rest of it, I took my car on the boat in December. And I hate boats as I suffer from motion sickness but can keep my lunch down for a 20 minutes flight. why are the security checks pointles ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, snowman said: why are the security checks pointles ? Because a Manx passenger has never, ever boarded wearing exploding shoes or intending to hijack the plane. I suppose it's inevitable, but we're presumed guilty and have to prove our innocence before being allowed to board. Edited March 2, 2022 by Stu Peters 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: Because a Manx passenger has never, ever boarded wearing exploding shoes Someone tried it wearing exploding sandals, but fortunately they caught him (edit: and only because he told them): https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35896-only-in-the-iom/ Note that although he was classed as a terrorist, they did not bother to close the airport and call the bomb squad.... because they knew he was not a terrorist. Edited March 2, 2022 by Two-lane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: Because a Manx passenger has never, ever boarded wearing exploding shoes or intending to hijack the plane. I suppose it's inevitable, but we're presumed guilty and have to prove our innocence before being allowed to board. Isn't the idea that it is preventative? As far as I am aware you are correct that no one boarding a flight from the Isle of Man has done so with explosives hidden about their person but is there not an element of influence from the UK here? Would the UK Government allow an aircraft into their airspace which had not complied with current requirements applied to commercial flights? It's a genuine question. I don't know the answer to it but it would seem likely to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Two-lane said: Someone tried it wearing exploding sandals, but fortunately they caught him: https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35896-only-in-the-iom/ Note that although he was classed as a terrorist, they did not bother to close the airport and call the bomb squad.... because they knew he was not a terrorist. Forgotten about that. Quite hilarious that thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellanvannin2010 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: Because a Manx passenger has never, ever boarded wearing exploding shoes or intending to hijack the plane. I suppose it's inevitable, but we're presumed guilty and have to prove our innocence before being allowed to board. I remember having a "discussion" with one of the security IOM staff who insisted I opened up a folded handkerchief as It may have been concealing something nasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 24 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: Because a Manx passenger has never, ever boarded wearing exploding shoes or intending to hijack the plane. I suppose it's inevitable, but we're presumed guilty and have to prove our innocence before being allowed to board. So you are basically only in favour of taking action in hindsight. Nobody had hijacked planes or then hijacked and crashed them into buildings until the first time it was done. Presumably you would have been anti any action being taken to try to stop such actions until after the first time it had happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Could be worse I suppose I had an Apple taken off me at Birmingham airport and swabbed ! Not unusual you may say, except this wasn't an electronic device it was the fruit !! And this isn't made up, another poster off here was with me at the time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: Isn't the idea that it is preventative? As far as I am aware you are correct that no one boarding a flight from the Isle of Man has done so with explosives hidden about their person but is there not an element of influence from the UK here? Would the UK Government allow an aircraft into their airspace which had not complied with current requirements applied to commercial flights? It's a genuine question. I don't know the answer to it but it would seem likely to me. You're quite correct, and I know it's not going to change, which is why I took the boat. As others have commented though, the ridiculous amount of overbearing bureaucracy displayed (apples, handkerchiefs etc) negates any goodwill our diligent security staff could otherwise enjoy. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOM Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 I notice that Easyjet are charging over £1000 return from London to Isle of Man in June. I recognise that its TT but fares at this level for an airline that has 'book low cost cheap flights' as its internet banner is quite outrageous in my view and blatant profiteering. I really fail to understand what those people who sing the praises of them see and experience that I dont ! Please somebody somewhere sort out the situation on the London route its been going on for far too long we need an early morning and evening departure in addition to Gatwick Eaayjet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 23 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: You're quite correct, and I know it's not going to change, which is why I took the boat. Thank you for confirming that. 23 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: As others have commented though, the ridiculous amount of overbearing bureaucracy displayed (apples, handkerchiefs etc) negates any goodwill our diligent security staff could otherwise enjoy. Whilst I can understand why people would be perplexed at the two examples that have been given I don't think that one or two over zealous people should result in all the security staff being viewed in a negative manner. I have made plenty of flights since these requirements came into place and have been pulled to one side for additional checks but the only time I have ever seen security personnel being overly officious is with people who take umbrage with the additional checks and start being nasty or "clever" (such as the explosive sandals case). Generally I find it best to prepare for going through security in advance and have everything ready. Where I get really annoyed is when you are trying to get through security and there is that one person who is still wearing multiple layers of clothing, has all their electrical items in their bags along with a load of fluids not in appropriate containers and which are oversized or they have a knife or some other sharp object. They are the people who make security screening a nightmare! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 So maybe make them step aside and let the prepared folk through first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, doc.fixit said: So maybe make them step aside and let the prepared folk through first? This ...everyone knows what is and isn't allowed so put the onus back on the passenger . Pull them to one side and if they miss their flights thats down to them. Other passengers obeying the rules shouldnt be penalised . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Thought thats what I said? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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