SleepyJoe Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Time was the carcasses were aged in chilled storage facilities - most butchers don't have that facility nowadays & presumably the meat plant doesn't either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: It's another minor marketing point in the 'ethical' treatment of animals - local slaughter, not had to go more than 30 miles. Yet there Johnson is doing trade deals to bring low price Australian meat to the UK, undercutting producers. OK, it’s carcasses. But the miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 46 minutes ago, John Wright said: we have to resolve the conundrum that the livestock gets a better price in Northwest marts than here and the processing price per carcass across is only 25% or less of what it is here. Properly fund the meat plant. Quality local food is a strong part of the IOM as a brand. Discourage anything other than niche production and abolish all other farming and land subsidies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, pongo said: Properly fund the meat plant. Quality local food is a strong part of the IOM as a brand. Discourage anything other than niche production and abolish all other farming and land subsidies. The loss it makes, covered by subventions, is more than enough funding. However, the prices for livestock paid to farmers have to be increased to stop the attraction of selling in UK and the throughput cost has to be reduced to match that in UK. Then we’d have meat at same cost as UK. Then there would be pressure to send meat either way. Perhaps we can stop meat imports? I reckon that to make it work needs another 2-3 million a year. Are we better off closing it down? Not produce animals for meat. Import all meat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, pongo said: Properly fund the meat plant. Quality local food is a strong part of the IOM as a brand. Discourage anything other than niche production and abolish all other farming and land subsidies. And meat prices would be £50 a kilo. Throughput would be minimal. Cost per carcass would be astronomical. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, John Wright said: Perhaps we can stop meat imports? Protectionism is always a terrible solution. Would you seriously suggest that we should no longer be able to also purchase high quality imported produce? Exactly the sort of produce which Manx farming should also be exporting. 22 minutes ago, John Wright said: I reckon that to make it work needs another 2-3 million a year. Are we better off closing it down? Not produce animals for meat. Import all meat. £2 - 3 million per year isn't so much. Put it on taxes. It's worth it. Couple that with a total ban on live exports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 30 minutes ago, John Wright said: And meat prices would be £50 a kilo. Throughput would be minimal. Cost per carcass would be astronomical. Why do we subsidise farmers and they immediately ship their livestock for slaughter in the uk? Surely that should stop? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: Why do we subsidise farmers and they immediately ship their livestock for slaughter in the uk? Surely that should stop? Why is it cheaper for a livestock haulier to travel here and slaughter in the UK, than it is to slaughter here? That’s the real failing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Is there a forensic breakdown of the meat plant costs available for public consumption (scuse pun), showing where exactly the money goes? (although I know that's generally not a Govt strongpoint). IIRC, there have supposedly been a number of restructurings and cost cuttings, "elimination of Spanish Practices" etc in the recent past, always with the promise of efficiencies - yet still the huge subvention and losses continue. There must be a breakdown of this somewhere? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 19 minutes ago, Annoymouse said: Why is it cheaper for a livestock haulier to travel here and slaughter in the UK, than it is to slaughter here? That’s the real failing. Think Leece’s who do most of the hauling are Colby based. But yes, they probably return empty. And yes it’s a symptom of a failed system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Is there a forensic breakdown of the meat plant costs available for public consumption (scuse pun), showing where exactly the money goes? (although I know that's generally not a Govt strongpoint). IIRC, there have supposedly been a number of restructurings and cost cuttings, "elimination of Spanish Practices" etc in the recent past, always with the promise of efficiencies - yet still the huge subvention and losses continue. There must be a breakdown of this somewhere? Annual accounts. Though historically they’ve been much delayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, John Wright said: Think Leece’s who do most of the hauling are Colby based. But yes, they probably return empty. And yes it’s a symptom of a failed system. I’ve seen a big red truck lit up like the Coca Cola truck picking up livestock, definitely a UK haulier, although admittedly this might not be for slaughter export though. Edited July 10, 2021 by Annoymouse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 37 minutes ago, pongo said: 1. Protectionism is always a terrible solution. 2. Would you seriously suggest that we should no longer be able to also purchase high quality imported produce? Exactly the sort of produce which Manx farming should also be exporting. 3. £2 - 3 million per year isn't so much. Put it on taxes. It's worth it. Couple that with a total ban on live exports. 1. Agreed. I already posted above that government interference in markets doesn’t work. I explained why we had the FMA and the evil it was designed to avoid. And whilst there was no importation and we had the meat derogation from EU free trade in agricultural produce, it sort of worked. 2. That’s what we had for the best part of 60-70 years. Imports undercut the Manx production and reduces throughput and increases cost per carcass. That puts up price to the public or requires additional subsidy. 3. Another £2 or 3 million. So total £4 to 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, John Wright said: Annual accounts. Though historically they’ve been much delayed. And probably not enough detail in them to make any sensible management deicsions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: And probably not enough detail in them to make any sensible management deicsions. Annual accounts are never a substitute for management accounts on which managenent decisions should be made. Different beast. Edited July 10, 2021 by Gladys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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