Keiran Hannifin Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 3 hours ago, trmpton said: I am going to hazard a guess you have never taken the huge financial, emotional and emotional risk of starting a business using your own funds, blood, sweat and tears to provide work for others and contribute to the economy though taxes, rent, rates, fuel, and supporting other local businesses. Obviously in most cases the driver is personal gain in the long term, but if you think every business owner with more than a handful of staff is creaming the profits off and paying a pittance you are sorely mistaken. An awful lot earn significantly less than those they employ on top of having the huge stress and often taking further lending to help their staff. Your proposal would send lots of them under and leave far more than just the business owner out of work and dependent on state handouts. Nice idea in theory - wouldn’t work in the real world I'm intrigued. What type business/service provider would you think would require more than 5 working under living wage, to a point where it would be detrimental to the owner? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Keiran Hannifin said: I'm intrigued. What type business/service provider would you think would require more than 5 working under living wage, to a point where it would be detrimental to the owner? Hundreds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 59 minutes ago, trmpton said: Hundreds There are - it's mostly multinationals that are taking the piss with horrific bonuses whilst underpaying their staff. That said though, if the big corps were dealt with (be it by capping boss pay to a multiple of median worker pay, or similar) then the bulk of the population would have more money, enabling the small business owners to up their prices and pay themselves and their staff better... Money in the pockets of the middle and working class is beneficial to all. Money in the swiss bank accounts of the super wealthy is not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 18 hours ago, Banker said: How would you pay for it? Presumably put taxes up for those working In the future many/most jobs will be automated. There will be no need for humans. What do we do then? The furlough scheme has given some indication of how a universal basic income could work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 13 hours ago, manxman1980 said: In the future many/most jobs will be automated. There will be no need for humans. That isn't true. Automation is and will be replacing some jobs. But in many environments it is simply freeing up more time for humans to do other tasks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 37 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: That isn't true. Automation is and will be replacing some jobs. But in many environments it is simply freeing up more time for humans to do other tasks. More people competing for fewer jobs whilst the rich get richer? Can you see a problem here? Remember that a lot of white collar jobs are about processing information. Computers and AI can and will do it faster, more accurately and for less than a human. Automation will continue to decimate production/factory jobs. The service sector is already being impacted with more and more self service solutions which reduces the numbers of workers required. They are evening trialling stores where you simply get scanned on the way out and your account is charged. Simply put there will be fewer and fewer jobs in future and as technology improves then those opportunities will diminish further. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 13 hours ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: That isn't true. Automation is and will be replacing some jobs. But in many environments it is simply freeing up more time for humans to do other tasks. Any idea what these other tasks might be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 12 hours ago, manxman1980 said: More people competing for fewer jobs whilst the rich get richer? Can you see a problem here? Remember that a lot of white collar jobs are about processing information. Computers and AI can and will do it faster, more accurately and for less than a human. Automation will continue to decimate production/factory jobs. The service sector is already being impacted with more and more self service solutions which reduces the numbers of workers required. They are evening trialling stores where you simply get scanned on the way out and your account is charged. Simply put there will be fewer and fewer jobs in future and as technology improves then those opportunities will diminish further. & this is why there has to be planning for future funding of meaningful work for a good chunk of the population to do 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Potential MHK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiran Hannifin Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, trmpton said: Potential MHK? Unsure if that's some how meant to discredit me? I've been misquoted in this before... So, to clarify. Kenny, is still in jail. He has had his sentence slightly reduced after an appeal (more tax payers money) Now. Do you think this reflects the wants of the manx public? Because I don't. http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=58804&headline=People importing drugs can expect to go to prison§ionIs=news&searchyear=2020&cat=Crime http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=58274&headline=Sentences for drug importers 'should be harsher'§ionIs=News&searchyear=2020 Edited June 8, 2021 by Keiran Hannifin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 22 hours ago, trmpton said: Potential MHK? Why not? Is it not reasonable to question the sentencing guidelines? I suspect there are many voters who would agree that paedophilia is a worse crime than cannabis supply. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiran Hannifin Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) The only victim from someone importing cannabis for personal use, is the dealer who is losing out on profit.... Which in the eyes of the law should be a win. Edited June 8, 2021 by Keiran Hannifin I love sticking commas where they don't belong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 8 hours ago, Keiran Hannifin said: The only victim from someone importing cannabis for personal use, is the dealer who is losing out on profit.... Which in the eyes of the law should be a win. There's still UK/international dealers profiting, just no one local. If someone grows for personal use then I see them doing zero harm. No money is put into the hands of any dealers at all. In fact, some local garden centres might actually benefit! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Layman Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, The Phantom said: There's still UK/international dealers profiting, just no one local. If someone grows for personal use then I see them doing zero harm. No money is put into the hands of any dealers at all. In fact, some local garden centres might actually benefit! it would also stop people being criminalised for £1.50 worth of weed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiran Hannifin Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Phantom said: There's still UK/international dealers profiting, just no one local. If someone grows for personal use then I see them doing zero harm. No money is put into the hands of any dealers at all. In fact, some local garden centres might actually benefit! I have spoken to a person on island who has had a private consultation (legal in the UK), who have sent 30g of lab tested flower, to have his door kicked in and laughed at by the police. They then messed him around for months, before he paid a private investigator and then got a "police caution" There are legal methods of getting cannabis in the UK. We accepted it was legal for medicinal use in 2018, illegal to produce (cultivate or import) So, we admit it has medical use, refuse to let people have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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