David Griffin Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Brilliant, thanks manx-person. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 33 minutes ago, manx-person said: See https://covid19.gov.im/general-information/on-island-private-covid-19-pcr-test/ Why is the service labelled as 'private' when Manx Care are the provider? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Why is the service labelled as 'private' when Manx Care are the provider? Because you are paying for the NHS to provide the test as a private service. Just the same as, when the Private Ward was open, and you had an image, or medicine, or anaesthetic, you’d get billed by the NHS to provide it privately. Or paying your GP for travel vaccinations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Just now, John Wright said: Because you are paying for the NHS to provide the test as a private service. Just the same as, when the Private Ward was open, and you had an image, or medicine, or anaesthetic, you’d get billed by the NHS to provide it privately. Or paying your GP for travel vaccinations. So why not call it a 'Paid For' service instead? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: So why not call it a 'Paid For' service instead? It’s one letter/space fewer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manx-person Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: So why not call it a 'Paid For' service instead? Perhaps that is the usually accepted term ? Let them call it what they like ... https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/list-of-private-providers-of-coronavirus-testing/list-of-private-providers-of-coronavirus-testing https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/covid19/testing/private-testing/ https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/infections-and-poisoning/coronavirus-covid-19/test-and-protect/coronavirus-covid-19-testing https://gov.wales/travel-wales-covid-19-testing-and-isolation https://covid19.gov.im/general-information/on-island-private-covid-19-pcr-test/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, manx-person said: Perhaps that is the usually accepted term ? Let them call it what they like ... https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/list-of-private-providers-of-coronavirus-testing/list-of-private-providers-of-coronavirus-testing https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/covid19/testing/private-testing/ https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/infections-and-poisoning/coronavirus-covid-19/test-and-protect/coronavirus-covid-19-testing https://gov.wales/travel-wales-covid-19-testing-and-isolation https://covid19.gov.im/general-information/on-island-private-covid-19-pcr-test/ They are private providers. But the NHS can, does, and always has, provided private services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, John Wright said: They are private providers. But the NHS can, does, and always has, provided private services. Yes, paid for services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Yes, paid for services. No. Not all NHS is free at point of delivery. There are some NHS services which are NHS but with a fee ( prescription charges, dental charges, some appliances, elastic hosiery ) so they are paid for services. They’re different to private services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 On 8/20/2021 at 9:54 PM, manx-person said: So why is that 'completely pathetic' ? Surely a choice of a paper or a digital version is the most inclusive way to provide the service ? The whole need for proof of vaccination is pathetic. UK wide now, about 90% of adults are 2+2. They can still catch Covid. They can still spread Covid. If people don't want to be vaccinated, that is their choice. Their risk. I am 2+2. I don't care if I am in a club or concert or something with unvaccinated people. The vaccinated are more a danger to them than they are to us. Even for international travel, the same stands. The Covid pass app is not even off the ground world wide yet, and in reality it is already redundant. It really is completely pathetic. So, why is it a paper copy for me? Because registration for the app is nothing but a massive data collection exercise. The number of people and amount of data they will give away is frightening. But most people don't realise it. Yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Cambon said: The whole need for proof of vaccination is pathetic. UK wide now, about 90% of adults are 2+2. They can still catch Covid. They can still spread Covid. If people don't want to be vaccinated, that is their choice. Their risk. I am 2+2. I don't care if I am in a club or concert or something with unvaccinated people. The vaccinated are more a danger to them than they are to us. Even for international travel, the same stands. The Covid pass app is not even off the ground world wide yet, and in reality it is already redundant. It really is completely pathetic. So, why is it a paper copy for me? Because registration for the app is nothing but a massive data collection exercise. The number of people and amount of data they will give away is frightening. But most people don't realise it. Yet! The app uses data your GP and the NHS already hold. That's it. You're not exactly supplying anything new. If you look at the App Store permissions listed, they can collect anonymous coarse location data, user identifiers and some usage data. Your phone, Android or Apple, is already collecting all sorts of data about you. Even down to the length of your stride as you walk down the street. As well as everything from who you socialise with, to where you spend your time, to how fast you drive. There are even studies around detecting your emotional state from smartphone data. Social networks fill in the blanks for people that aren't on their platform too, even if you don't use Facebook, you can bet they know where you fit in various groups of friends/family etc. Quite simply, there's no need to bother making the NHS app a data collection exercise, when people already hand it all over willingly anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: Quite simply, there's no need to bother making the NHS app a data collection exercise, when people already hand it all over willingly anyway. This is also the only reason why vaccines aren't chips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: This is also the only reason why vaccines aren't chips. If you really want a microchip, some of the biohacker folks are doing some quite cool stuff. But, these aren't exactly subtle. https://hackaday.com/2019/08/29/pegleg-raspberry-pi-implanted-below-the-skin-not-coming-to-a-store-near-you/ The closest we've got in implantable tech that's usable is stuff like the chips that go in dogs. But you need a reader right next to you to get any useful data back, and you'd notice that being snuck into your Pfizer dose. Edited August 22, 2021 by AcousticallyChallenged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 35 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: The closest we've got in implantable tech that's usable is stuff like the chips that go in dogs. Things are a bit further along than that. https://neuralink.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 "The whole need for proof of vaccination is pathetic. UK wide now, about 90% of adults are 2+2. They can still catch Covid. They can still spread Covid. If people don't want to be vaccinated, that is their choice. Their risk. I am 2+2. I don't care if I am in a club or concert or something with unvaccinated people. The vaccinated are more a danger to them than they are to us. Even for international travel, the same stands. The Covid pass app is not even off the ground world wide yet, and in reality it is already redundant. It really is completely pathetic. " You may say it is pathetic.... But it is reality. I have just had a conversation with my son who is hollidaying in Northern France. They live in a different European country He is double jabbed but his wife who is French is not. They have not been able to eat in any restaurants together, because of this. I am sure other eu countries will be having similar restrictions. If you don't have proof of a full course of injections there will be a price and in my view quite rightly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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