SleepyJoe Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 A directly elected Chief Minister would be to invite something akin to overbearing dictatorship 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, oooohtony said: the man in a pub or a football stand Who pays their wages. Wears their names on the back of his shirt. Chants their names. Who cheers them on, even when they're not playing well. Whose applause they milk when things go well - their opinion's not worthless when things go well. Edited July 1, 2021 by Declan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 27 minutes ago, oooohtony said: But at least they were talented enough and brave enough to put themselves in the position where they were open to the abuse dished out themselves. In my humble opinion that makes their views much more valid than those of a man in a pub or a football stand who has never even had a sports article published or been paid to kick a ball. As far as criticising people from the stands I think it is a good example of the same behaviours being displayed here. Loads of people knocking those who are standing or who have stood in the past, who wouldn’t actually want to take the associated flak and responsibility themselves. Neither would I, so I don’t personally criticise individuals. I may disagree with particular opinions or decisions but that is different to just knocking a person full stop. Except footballers don't make decisions that affect everyone's lives. Politicians must be subject to scrutiny, the job they do is far too important to treat them like keen but inept schoolchildren. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 I would like to see many more women elected to be politicians on the Island. A refreshing input of good sense and logic. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 https://iomelections.com/local2021/ This looks good. Seems a number were uncontested and some not enough to fill the seats eg. Port St Mary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oooohtony Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, english zloty said: https://iomelections.com/local2021/ This looks good. Seems a number were uncontested and some not enough to fill the seats eg. Port St Mary. And some (one so far I think) filled by people who have since declared for keys - so possible seats to need filing again in September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 16 hours ago, Declan said: Democracy is an imperfect tool, but the best we've got. There's a few tweaks to the current system that could be made - CM directly elected, lower numbers in Local Authorities so people aren't elected unchallenged. A party system would help a little by acting as a filter for some of the worse elements - but not all. Reduce number of l.a.s by amalgamation, improve significantly lay scrutiny, similarly in Tynwald, develop systems to encourage, monitor, scrutinise and action complaints etc, develop legal process for recall, etc Call out "influence" and dubious decisions, political / business / personal interests, relationships in transparent and open way. Stop sweeping things under carpets - It benefits no-one except wrong doers and those who protect them. The notion now of whether "things are disclosed in the public's best interest" should be done away with completely. Again another form of arrogance practiced by a select few (that believes they have a God given right) that determines for the public what they should and should not know.....in their own interest. @Declan Is the Isle of Man democratic or do we have a system we call "democracy" , imperfect as it maybe ? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 We're somewhere on the Democratic Spectrum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 https://www.manxradio.com/elections/local-authority-elections/la-general-2021-uncontested-elections/ Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, english zloty said: https://www.manxradio.com/elections/local-authority-elections/la-general-2021-uncontested-elections/ Wow! Many of these folk are pushing 80 in the north at least. Even where there are elections it’s like one too many candidates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWolf Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Once again lots of walk-ins shows to me that people just lack trust or have any interest knowing things just won’t change in local politics it really does need change. One example and Somewhat ironic that some at PSM wanted to reduce the board numbers to 5 winning the democratic vote to only be overturned by D.O.I who caved in after the losing members didnt like it, compromising to 7 from 9 . Now we have the situation of just walking in to a seat and trying again to encourage names to come forward but with PSM past history I think you’d be a mug to sign up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, GreyWolf said: Once again lots of walk-ins shows to me that people just lack trust or have any interest knowing things just won’t change in local politics it really does need change. One example and Somewhat ironic that some at PSM wanted to reduce the board numbers to 5 winning the democratic vote to only be overturned by D.O.I who caved in after the losing members didnt like it, compromising to 7 from 9 . Now we have the situation of just walking in to a seat and trying again to encourage names to come forward but with PSM past history I think you’d be a mug to sign up. Ballaugh has 2 for 5 seats. Madness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) Too many seats - too many councils Look at the South - 2 Rushen MHKS 2/3rds of an MHK representing Arbory's share of Moorehouse and Cregeen. Arbory & Rushen = 6 commissioners Port Erin = 7 Commissioners PSM = 7 Commissioners Plus a 12.33th share in legco and the President = 73% of an MLC That's 23.39 politicians for 8784 people (and that includes kids). So removing under 16's that's about one in 311 people just to fill every gap. You'd need a minimum of 6 more people just to make all those votes contested - so about one in 250 adults have to want to stand. (actually slightly less because 16-18 year olds can't stand and other residents will be barred for other reasons) Edited July 2, 2021 by Declan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 1 hour ago, english zloty said: https://www.manxradio.com/elections/local-authority-elections/la-general-2021-uncontested-elections/ Wow! To be fair a lot of rural parish councils tend to be uncontested and if they have too many candidates it's not unknown for some to withdraw to avoid to cost of an election. Famously Onchan Parish Commissioners (before they merged with the village) never had a contested election in the 99 years of its existence. I'll try to crunch some figures to see if things have changed recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 How can anyone plausibly argue against local authority reform?! 5 commissioners max, 5 LA's North, South, West, 2 x East in population centre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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