Role of El Presidente, Tynpotwald - The Election 2021

[2112]

1 hour ago, Apple said:

Yes, I saw that. Bit of a faux pas.

Surely the people are the islands best asset. 

Tynwald as a building is looking well jaded from the Prospect Hill  entrance and the chamber reminds me now of a smoke stained union negotiating back room from the '70s.. Cold in winter, poor acoustics, poor public parking, not even televised in this day and age. Needs at least £5 million to freshen up and improve access. 

Noticed there were no prayers in Manx last sitting. 

As for the processes and procedures in Tynwald - radical overhaul needed. The days of watching those older and richer business and land owners speak and for the plebs to hang on their every word are over. This Tynwald was tired, not just on Covid, but with little scope for imagination / new thinking.

Needs reinvigorating, a sense of new pride, more accessible to and engagement with the public. 

£5million? And the rest! If Liverpool Landing Stage is near to £60million, you can bet your bottom dollar that our Government’s pet contractors, will be rubbing their hands and salivating at the thought of a piece of the action. Loadsamoney! 
 

On top of that you will have Manx National Haemorrhage sticking their beak in, Culture Vannin will want in ……… all that’s left is the Manx Wildlife Trust, that’s if any wildlife is found. By the time everyone has stuck their oar in and with the DOI running the show, you may as well set the budget at £15million.

[Apple]

@2112

I was starting low and then it can stack up over time - isn't that how these things work? 

[Apple]

It does look a bit unloved though doesn't it. Not the best appearance for the worlds oldest.etc,etc

[Apple]

23 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

5 million would just cover the cost of the new carpets

Missed that first time around. - we will need much bigger carpets after what the last lot have shoved under them.

[Roger Mexico]

36 minutes ago, Apple said:

It does look a bit unloved though doesn't it. Not the best appearance for the worlds oldest.etc,etc

They had a massive refurbishment only 15 years ago:

The refurbishment also encompassed the former General Registry on Finch Road, which was mostly demolished in 2003, although the red brick façade still exists. The new Legislative Buildings were built to accommodate members of Tynwald and the Office of the Clerk of Tynwald. The new and refurbished Legislative Buildings complex cost £11 million and re-opened to the public in 2006. 

You wonder what the original budget was, though.

[manxman34]

They need a chamber commensurate with the quality of the members: perhaps they could rent the back room of the Saddle for the few days a year when they meet?

[Non-Believer]

9 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

They had a massive refurbishment only 15 years ago:

The refurbishment also encompassed the former General Registry on Finch Road, which was mostly demolished in 2003, although the red brick façade still exists. The new Legislative Buildings were built to accommodate members of Tynwald and the Office of the Clerk of Tynwald. The new and refurbished Legislative Buildings complex cost £11 million and re-opened to the public in 2006. 

You wonder what the original budget was, though.

IIRC, it was well over budget, tbh I'm surprised at the £11M figure, I had £14M+ in my memory, much to do with dry rot found during the process I think.

The project had to approach Tynwald for extra funding with then Speaker Tony Brown waxing lyrical and to justify the expenditure at the time and a lot of public comment about the necessity of that level of expense.

[Beelzebub3]

9 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

They had a massive refurbishment only 15 years ago:

The refurbishment also encompassed the former General Registry on Finch Road, which was mostly demolished in 2003, although the red brick façade still exists. The new Legislative Buildings were built to accommodate members of Tynwald and the Office of the Clerk of Tynwald. The new and refurbished Legislative Buildings complex cost £11 million and re-opened to the public in 2006. 

You wonder what the original budget was, though.

It cost twice as much as was budgeted they found out the building had dry rot, the work was carried out by McGovern and O Hare.

[AlanShimmin]

15 hours ago, Apple said:

Tynwald as a building is looking well jaded from the Prospect Hill  entrance and the chamber reminds me now of a smoke stained union negotiating back room from the '70s

That's exactly what it is.

[AlanShimmin]

14 hours ago, 2112 said:

5million? And the rest! If Liverpool Landing Stage is near to £60million, you can bet your bottom dollar that our Government’s pet contractors, will be rubbing their hands and salivating at the thought of a piece of the action. Loadsamoney! 
 

On top of that you will have Manx National Haemorrhage sticking their beak in, Culture Vannin will want in ……… all that’s left is the Manx Wildlife Trust, that’s if any wildlife is found. By the time everyone has stuck their oar in and with the DOI running the show, you may as well set the budget at £15million.

Just flatten it and rent it out as one of those temporary carparks. It's about time the site found an honest purpose. 

The delusions of grandeur from those carpet baggers is dangerous. They should stick a conference table in the Promenade Suite.

[joebean]

Quite frankly, whatever Shelly says needs to be fact checked or disregarded. Its either a figment of his limited imagination or a piece of vacuous bullshit. He is, without a doubt, the perfect President for Tynwald. Without his involvement in Tynwald he would have no status in Manx society and very little to show in personal achievement. There can be no surprise that he would praise the contribution of Tynwald to the Island. He owes it a great deal having got all his self-importance from it without making any meaningful contribution. To be fair, he is not unusual in this respect. He is the product of a political system that creates and nurtures mediocrity and the ordinary. Lets see if, during his tenure, he suggests or promotes any meaningful reform of Tynwald or just champions the system that sustains him. 

Edited July 30, 2021 by joebean
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[Andy Onchan]

1 hour ago, joebean said:

Quite frankly, whatever Shelly says needs to be fact checked or disregarded. Its either a figment of his limited imagination or a piece of vacuous bullshit. He is, without a doubt, the perfect President for Tynwald. Without his involvement in Tynwald he would have no status in Manx society and very little to show in personal achievement. There can be no surprise that he would praise the contribution of Tynwald to the Island. He owes it a great deal having got all his self-importance from it without making any meaningful contribution. To be fair, he is not unusual in this respect. He is the product of a political system that creates and nurtures mediocrity and the ordinary. Lets see if, during his tenure, he suggests or promotes any meaningful reform of Tynwald or just champions the system that sustains him. 

The latter.

[NoTailT]

Integrity?? This man has none.

[slinkydevil]

48 minutes ago, NoTailT said:

Integrity?? This man has none.

Juan's new dartboard. Plenty of dressing up envy in the Watterson household this evening.

[Declan]

"I was deeply humbled..." no you weren't you felt honoured, you got a grand title and a fnacy costume, you were proud, but you didn't feel humble.