Happier diner Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 31 minutes ago, kevster said: Let's have a quick peek at the guy behind that website Ha Ha. Another nut job. Maybe too much wacky bacci in his early years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Ann said: 2. Never before in the history of infectious disease medicine has a state or politicians recommended systematic vaccinations for billions of people on the planet for a disease whose mortality rate is now 0.05%. That’s a very low mortality rate! It's a low mortality rate because so many people have been vaccinated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said: It's a low mortality rate because so many people have been vaccinated. Yes ..and the world was in lockdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: Ha Ha. Another nut job. Maybe too much wacky bacci in his early years. Or not enough. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 What I don't understand about anti-vaxers is that they ignore the huge benefits the old vaccines have had - polio, small pox, even mumps and measles - and that was from a time when the knowledge was pretty rudimentary. I had mumps and measles as a child, both were very nasty so much so I can remember being very ill with them. The usual childhood diseases from when I was a child are very much history now. Why? Vaccine, improved nutrition and health services too, of course, but mainly vaccines. Understanding and scientific techniques have advanced in the intervening years which means that the scientific community can identify what mechanism will give the best vaccine result, risk assess and respond quickly. So, two almost unspoken truths from the anti-vaxers: Vaccines have improved health beyond recognition Science has advanced unrecognisably since milk maids seemed not to catch small pox 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 They ignore science, they ignore history, they ignore common sense. They watch bitchute though, all the cool kids do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 minute ago, TheTeapot said: They ignore science, they ignore history, they ignore common sense. They watch bitchute though, all the cool kids do. I laugh, but it is worrying. I have posted before about a healthcare worker I know of who has decided against having the vax, seemingly based on the propaganda. Are they the right kind of person to be in healthcare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Gladys said: How are your bowels? You really don’t want to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 As an aside, when this first kicked off last year, discussing it with a friend from school days we thought about how a couple of generations that had not experienced any real existential threat would cope. Our parents were brought up during WWII by parents who had grown up in WWI, not to mention the every day threat of death from disease, poor housing, nutrition, common mortality, etc. Not that we experienced those threats, but our parents had and so the experience was handed down first hand and made us a little more resilient. But, not having those real threats as an everyday experience, our generation couldn't pass on true resilience to real threats and so on to the next generation. I suppose what I am trying to say is that this is probably the first time an overwhelming and beyond control threat to everyone has been experienced for several generations ( AIDS apart, but I have another theory on that), so it is to be expected that there will be various coping mechanisms, irrational denial, panic and a refusal to accept that there are some things that really are outwith our control. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Just now, The Voice of Reason said: You really don’t want to know What? Give up the chance to hear first hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha-acid Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 25 minutes ago, Gladys said: I laugh, but it is worrying. I have posted before about a healthcare worker I know of who has decided against having the vax, seemingly based on the propaganda. Are they the right kind of person to be in healthcare? Nobody should be working in Healthcare who hasn't been vaccinated, should be a condition of the job 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Saw this in a shop window: Doctors for COVID Ethics Conclusion 1. It is beyond question that repeated vaccinations carry serious and unprecedented risks as outlined above. 2. While government officials, authorities and vaccine manufacturers may remain ignorant of the medical implications of such findings, any physician in possession of this knowledge cannot administer repeated COVID-19 vaccination in good conscience, nor in good faith. 3. Under no circumstances is it acceptable for a doctor to knowingly inflict harm on a patient. ALL PHYSICIANS ARE HEREWITH CALLED ON TO RECONSIDER THE ETHICAL ISSUES SURROUNDING COVID-19 VACCINATION. Full letter: https://doctors4covidethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Complement-activation-and-vaccines.pdf https://doctors4covidethics.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Gladys said: As an aside, when this first kicked off last year, discussing it with a friend from school days we thought about how a couple of generations that had not experienced any real existential threat would cope. Our parents were brought up during WWII by parents who had grown up in WWI, not to mention the every day threat of death from disease, poor housing, nutrition, common mortality, etc. Not that we experienced those threats, but our parents had and so the experience was handed down first hand and made us a little more resilient. But, not having those real threats as an everyday experience, our generation couldn't pass on true resilience to real threats and so on to the next generation. I suppose what I am trying to say is that this is probably the first time an overwhelming and beyond control threat to everyone has been experienced for several generations ( AIDS apart, but I have another theory on that), so it is to be expected that there will be various coping mechanisms, irrational denial, panic and a refusal to accept that there are some things that really are outwith our control. Well except that if you look what generation the anti-vaxxers and so on come from, it is mainly from your (and my) generation. It seems to be the younger generations who are much more responsible and level-headed about it on average. They seem much more resilient to me than the baby-boomers who seem much more likely to respond in some sort of hysterical way, more concerned with their own self-importance than what is best for everyone. At worse the young only show indifference - and who can blame them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 11 hours ago, wrighty said: Just as AIDS was kicking off there were seemingly plausible theories that it was nothing to do with a virus. Main proponent was an American called Duesberg, if I recall correctly. I wonder how all that would have panned out if he’d have had The Internet to peddle his nonsense. Just looked this up. Amazingly, Peter Duesberg is still going on about HIV not causing AIDS. A lot of the stuff in this wiki article sounds a lot like the current covid denialism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duesberg_hypothesis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampsterkahn Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) A few of the folk involved in the delivery of vaccines are people I am privileged to have known for some time. I also know them to be kind, decent, caring and intelligent people who genuinely just want to get on with the job- fighting against this very real threat to our society. But there is an extraordinary madness afoot. It is fueled by anxiety, suspicion and “common sense fatigue” - and the vanity and greed of anti - Covid / vaccine promoters. It has been further aided , unfortunately by the ponderous self- defensive systems securely in place in the non -clinical corridors of the Health Service. There is a delusional strive amongst the “ Antis” to project the notion that our defenders are our enemies. Even the nightmare of Nazi atrocities exposed at Nuremberg has been dragged into it That is without doubt, a most vile and vicious slur contrived to intimidate. health workers. - Last year there was an enthusiastic, albeit sometimes rather cloying and virtue- signaling, saucepan-bashing every Thursday and with it, an easy tear- wiping adulation. Now these same people are slandered as “ war criminals” by the “Antis ” Professionals in our NHS should not be trampled underfoot by the “antis” in their frantic ascent of the moral high ground. There is room left on the lower slopes- I’ll stick with them. They’re good company. - Edited August 17, 2021 by hampsterkahn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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