The Voice of Reason Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Expat. said: No they're not. Wars are started by money, property and the desire for power. There have been just under two thousand conflicts in recorded human history of which one hundred and twenty odd have been either a Holy war, as in started by a religious leader like the Pope, or were a religious war as in started by a secular power like a King or Queen using religion as a pretext. That's under 7%. Well said for exploding that myth. People who make glib statements like hissingsid did without any evidence need pulling up on them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 4 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: A very timely reminder in todays newspaper of the damage caused https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/gambling-addict-jailed-for-nine-years-611047 The damage caused by this chap being a thief ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 22 minutes ago, Banker said: The gaming companies have adverts running constantly on many prime time tv shows, all football matches, social media etc, alcohol &?tobacco advertising is banned in most places This is all very odd. I watch television, football matches on TV But the gambling adverts on the players shirts, pitch side and in the commercial breaks have never encouraged me to gamble. I might buy the odd lottery ticket but it’s not as a result of that. Alcohol adverts as you say are banned, but I still will have a pint of beer or a glass of wine. Why do I consume the products that are banned from advertising but not partake in the activities that aren’t? Its a strange one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 34 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: This is all very odd. I watch television, football matches on TV But the gambling adverts on the players shirts, pitch side and in the commercial breaks have never encouraged me to gamble. I might buy the odd lottery ticket but it’s not as a result of that. Alcohol adverts as you say are banned, but I still will have a pint of beer or a glass of wine. Why do I consume the products that are banned from advertising but not partake in the activities that aren’t? Its a strange one. You obviously have willpower, regrettably many don’t & get sucked in & addicted leading to many issues impacting lots of people not just the individual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 49 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: The damage caused by this chap being a thief ? Well more correctly he had a gambling addiction which seems to have resulted in him becoming a thief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 5 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: A very timely reminder in todays newspaper of the damage caused https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/gambling-addict-jailed-for-nine-years-611047 Without knowing the full details of the case, this reads like he used forex / option style sites. They are essentially gambling (as is the whole stock market one could argue) but would come without any of the safeguards in place under IOM regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 28 minutes ago, Amadeus said: Without knowing the full details of the case, this reads like he used forex / option style sites. They are essentially gambling (as is the whole stock market one could argue) but would come without any of the safeguards in place under IOM regulations. Have you ever used the term 'mug punter' in relation to clients of the business you worked for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genericUserName Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Amadeus said: Without knowing the full details of the case, this reads like he used forex / option style sites. They are essentially gambling (as is the whole stock market one could argue) but would come without any of the safeguards in place under IOM regulations. Do you believe that free bets should be banned @Amadeus ? Often used to keep people playing. Or direct marketing. Or the systems which track player behaviour in order to encourage them to continue playing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genericUserName Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Ireland is in the process of banning free bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistercee Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 10 hours ago, Amadeus said: Without knowing the full details of the case, this reads like he used forex / option style sites. They are essentially gambling (as is the whole stock market one could argue) but would come without any of the safeguards in place under IOM regulations. Looks like he was an "expert" in managing risks with a desire to be fair and transparent. MFX Appoint New Head of FX Services and Operations - MFX Appoint New Head of FX Services and Operations. isleofman.com Business News - isleofman.com Or did he pull the wool over other peoples eyes as well? It reads like he is a classic b--lsh---er who has written the press release himself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 16 hours ago, hissingsid said: What about the stock market I know of two Manx families who lost millions years ago are you going ban that too. Well it’s still gambling, but with other people’s money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: A very timely reminder in todays newspaper of the damage caused https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/gambling-addict-jailed-for-nine-years-611047 I’m not saying it happened in this particular case, but a lot of bankrupts have “gambling addictions” to explain why they withdrew large amounts of cash just before applying for bankruptcy and why this cash can no longer be found. Similar seems to happen with a lot of corporate thieves too. It’s certainly the story I would use if I was hoping to hide the money for use at a later date. One company I worked for had a finance director who stole £150,000. He, apparently, gambled it all away and about £400 was recoverable. His wife, however, started driving an expensive Range Rover and got her tits done about six months later. Pure coincidence, I’m sure. Edited April 29, 2023 by Ringy Rose 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 16 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: I’m not saying it happened in this particular case, but a lot of bankrupts have “gambling addictions” to explain why they withdrew large amounts of cash just before applying for bankruptcy and why this cash can no longer be found. Similar seems to happen with a lot of corporate thieves too. It’s certainly the story I would use if I was hoping to hide the money for use at a later date. One company I worked for had a finance director who stole £150,000. He, apparently, gambled it all away and about £400 was recoverable. His wife, however, started driving an expensive Range Rover and got her tits done about six months later. Pure coincidence, I’m sure. I agree I’m aware of a similar case. They seem to accept far too easily that they just lost the money. However I understand the e-gaming companies are generally very unhelpful in working with the enforcement agencies and explaining what happened to the money. They should be hammered under the proceeds of crime act in these situations as they facilitated the placing of stolen cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, offshoremanxman said: However I understand the e-gaming companies are generally very unhelpful in working with the enforcement agencies and explaining what happened to the money. Your understanding is incorrect, at least for companies regulated in good jurisdictions. Edited April 29, 2023 by Ringy Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: Your understanding is incorrect, at least for companies regulated in good jurisdictions. No it’s correct. Maltese companies are the worst for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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