Brexit Penny Dropping?

[La Colombe]

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Tim Martin to get a well deserved knighthood 

“Former Cabinet minister David Jones said: “Tim Martin played a big part in the Brexit campaign. He was in tune with the national sentiment and understood the desire of the British people to recover their independence. The honour is well deserved and long overdue.”

Hear hear I say 

[The Voice of Reason]

Can anyone explain to me why a 750 ml bottle of wine is any less arbitrary than a bottle of wine containing a pint measure?

[Freggyragh]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Can anyone explain to me why a 750 ml bottle of wine is any less arbitrary than a bottle of wine containing a pint measure?

Because, the world over, wine is drunk and often sold by the glass. In the UK, by law, a standard small glass of wine is 125ml, a medium is 175ml and a large is 250ml. So, the industry standard is 750ml for a bottle of wine, which equals 6 small glasses, and 12 bottles make a case of wine, which is 9 litres.

A 'pint of wine' is 568.262ml. So you get 4.546088 small glasses to the pint bottle, and a case is 12 pints (or, 1.5 imperial gallons), 1.80142 US gallons, or 4.54609ml 

This 'pint of wine' nonsense isn't a benefit to anyone, unless there are people who prefer to drink pints of wine. The EU maintained the standard wine and spirit bottles size regulation in 2004 (other drinks are exempt) purely because everyone understands it — particularly useful for drinkers and the trade, and of course you could always have a Jennie of wine (500ml) if you preferred. 

 

Edited December 29, 2023 by Freggyragh

[Freggyragh]

Also, I seem to remember 620ml bottles of Vin Jaune on sale last time I was in Paris, so with 620ml being an arbitrary size I'd imagine pint bottles would have possible in the EU anyway. 

[John Wright]

6 hours ago, Freggyragh said:

Also, I seem to remember 620ml bottles of Vin Jaune on sale last time I was in Paris, so with 620ml being an arbitrary size I'd imagine pint bottles would have possible in the EU anyway. 

There are all sorts of anomalies, even in the EU.

There are carve out exemptions based on historic measures. So, vin jaune 620ml along with pints for milk and beer in UK ( whilst still in the EU ).

im not sure much champagne was sold in pint bottles prior to 1973, nor that there will be any demand now. 

Nor do I understand why liqueurs and spirits bottle size was reduced to 700ml from 750ml in 1990. It remains 750ml in the USA. It means producers have to have different sized bottles if they want to export, and that isn’t economic for small producers.

In Italy I still see sliced meats and cheeses price marked and sold in markets and specialist shops by the etto, a quarter to you and me, well 100gm.

Im  not sure producers of vin jaune would agree with your description of 620ml  as arbitrary. It’s supposed to be the amount left from a litre after maturation, barrel loss etc.

 

[Declan]

Presumably whilst a member, Britain could have negotiated an opt out to sell wine in pints. Just like it did for beer. Except there was no need because nobody was clamoring to buy wine in pints.

 

 

[manxman1980]

@The Voice of Reason 

 

You forget that imperial measures are no longer taught in British schools.

Younger generations will moat likely never use pints as a measure unless ordering beer.  It's just a quirk that they will continue to use miles and pints.

Weights are now almost always in kilograms.   I know my weight in kilograms not in stones and pounds.  I also know my height in metres and centimetres and not in feet and inches.

Unless the UK decides to revert to imperial measurements then I can easily envisage a future where everything is in metric regardless of whether the UK is in the EU or not.

[La Colombe]

 

[La Colombe]

It's pretty pathetic really. Desperate. 

[HeliX]

13 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

My point was if we can be bullied into changing our measuring systems, trivial as you may see that, where does it end?

An ever closer union superstate?

Is this a stand up act? It's very good.

[The Voice of Reason]

1 hour ago, manxman1980 said:

@The Voice of Reason 

 

You forget that imperial measures are no longer taught in British schools.

Younger generations will moat likely never use pints as a measure unless ordering beer.  It's just a quirk that they will continue to use miles and pints.

Weights are now almost always in kilograms.   I know my weight in kilograms not in stones and pounds.  I also know my height in metres and centimetres and not in feet and inches.

Unless the UK decides to revert to imperial measurements then I can easily envisage a future where everything is in metric regardless of whether the UK is in the EU or not.

Yes I agree all that will happen. I don’t imagine anyone would argue with that.

The point is that as a member of the EU the UK didn't have the choice to sell wine in pints should it have wanted to.
Thats  the principle involved and it goes much wider and affects far more fundamental sovereign issues than just weights and measures.

[manxman1980]

20 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Yes I agree all that will happen. I don’t imagine anyone would argue with that.

The point is that as a member of the EU the UK didn't have the choice to sell wine in pints should it have wanted to.
Thats  the principle involved and it goes much wider and affects far more fundamental sovereign issues than just weights and measures.

Which makes pints of wine now all the more ridiculous as a benefit of Brexit!

As has already been pointed out the UK could probably have negotiated an exception for the UK market if there was actually a reason too.

[The Voice of Reason]

11 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

Which makes pints of wine now all the more ridiculous as a benefit of Brexit!

As has already been pointed out the UK could probably have negotiated an exception for the UK market if there was actually a reason too.

Without wishing to dwell too much on the pints of wine issue.

The principle is that why on earth should the UK have had  to “ negotiate “ to implement measures ( no pun intended) that it wants to introduce in its own country?

It beggars belief that some on here still claim that sovereignty is some sort of “nebulous” concept or notion

 

[HeliX]

5 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Without wishing to dwell too much on the pints of wine issue.

The principle is that why on earth should the UK have had  to “ negotiate “ to implement measures ( no pun intended) that it wants to introduce in its own country?

It beggars belief that some on here still claim that sovereignty is some sort of “nebulous” concept or notion

 

On the other hand it makes it harder for the UK to do self-sabotaging nonsense like introducing pints of wine.

Do you think any of the actually good wine producers are going to alter their entire supply chain to get pints of wine to morons in the UK?