manxman1980 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: Prior to that they have to request one. Thanks for highlighting this. You and others claim that post Brexit the UK has its sovereignty back. The UK never had to ask the EU to hold a referendum on leaving. That means that the UK had sovereignty all along. Something which is then denied to the constituent nations. 2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: Anyway if the SNP ( as the cheerleaders for Scottish independence) fare as badly as some are predicting in today’s General Election it all becomes a bit of a moot point. They aren't the only independence party in Scotland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 On 7/3/2024 at 9:41 AM, P.K. said: I think you have missed the question thus: "The UK officially joined the EU (EEC as was) on the 1st January 1973. How was it that "sovereignty" was never an issue until 2015? Some forty-two years later..." Looking forward to your answer Because the EEC and the EU are entirely different things. EU didn’t exist until 1993. Sovereignty raised its head effectively as a result of the Lisbon Treaty of 2008. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 21 minutes ago, Cambon said: Because the EEC and the EU are entirely different things. EU didn’t exist until 1993. Sovereignty raised its head effectively as a result of the Lisbon Treaty of 2008. Which is why, to protect the sovereignty of individual member states, Art 50 of the Lisbon Treaty was introduced. For the first time it provided a notice, negotiation and exit procedure. That’s not to say it couldn’t have happened before, just that there wasn’t a prescribed mechanism. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 9 hours ago, manxman1980 said: Thanks for highlighting this. You and others claim that post Brexit the UK has its sovereignty back. The UK never had to ask the EU to hold a referendum on leaving. That means that the UK had sovereignty all along. Here we go round and round again. That doesn’t mean the UK had sovereignty all along. What demonstrates that the UK didn’t have sovereignty all along is that EU laws had supremacy over UK domestic law. End of . No ambiguity. There can be no argument about that. Will you ever accept that this is the case or will you continue to base your argument on things such as:- “ The UK never had to ask the EU to hold a referendum on leaving” ” This means that the UK had sovereignty all along” No it doesn’t! There is no such thing as partial sovereignty, as has been explained to you time and time again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 @The Voice of Reason Well done on continuing your award winning mental gymnastics. You have once again failed to address the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: @The Voice of Reason Well done on continuing your award winning mental gymnastics. You have once again failed to address the point. No mental gymnastics just undeniable logic. If you think that loss of sovereignty is a price worth paying for EU membership just say so. It’s one point of view,you are entitled to hold it. Just don’t try and make out that it’s not the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecklessAbandon Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: No mental gymnastics just undeniable logic. And yet those with an inkling of mental capacity are denying it - so draw what conclusion from that you will. There was, categorically and empirically, never a loss of sovereignty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 (edited) This is the sort of relationship the UK should be having with the EU. Co-operation without ceding sovereignty https:/://x.com/CharlesMichel/status/1809095212280476132 Edited July 5 by The Voice of Reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 13 hours ago, RecklessAbandon said: And yet those with an inkling of mental capacity are denying it - so draw what conclusion from that you will. There was, categorically and empirically, never a loss of sovereignty. There was, actually. You are probably inadvertently correct in saying the detractors have an inkling of mental capacity, but certainly no more than that. It appears that you have no firmer grasp on the meaning of "inkling" than you have on the meaning of "sovereignty". I assume that your rationale for judging the acuity of others is the degree to which their blatherings match yours. Not the most scientific criterion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 17 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: This is the sort of relationship the UK should be having with the EU. Co-operation without ceding sovereignty https:/://x.com/CharlesMichel/status/1809095212280476132 There will be people, such as Nigel Farage and his mob, that will even suggest that the UK Prime Minister attending such an event is the start of the UK rejoining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 4 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: There will be people, such as Nigel Farage and his mob, that will even suggest that the UK Prime Minister attending such an event is the start of the UK rejoining. Possibly. People are always suggesting all sorts of things. And? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 And nothing. It was an observation that some people will be suspicious of any relationship with the EU. You seem a bit touchy. Are you OK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) 29 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: And nothing. It was an observation that some people will be suspicious of any relationship with the EU. You seem a bit touchy. Are you OK? Yes I’m fine thank you! Your observation is correct but that’s not mine ( or your) problem is it? It’s theirs They shouldn’t have any more reason to be more suspicious about that than the UK’s relationship with any other non EU country or group of external alliances I do appreciate your concern though.👍 Edited July 6 by The Voice of Reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Labour are already seeking to repair the damage done by the last government to our relationship with and within the EU. It does feel like the adults are finally back in the room. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Meanwhile arch-Brexiteer James Dyson now announces 1000 job cuts in the UK as the country's industries flourish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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