manxman1980 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said: If you insist about being so childish What were you saying about insults? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 8 hours ago, manxman1980 said: What were you saying about insults? You need to distinguish between insults and facts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 This seems to fit here; https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/20/uk-citizens-travelling-to-eu-next-summer-will-have-to-pay-7-visa-waiver-charge May not be entirely Brexit related but it is yet another small inconvenience when travelling to the EU in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 5 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: This seems to fit here; https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/20/uk-citizens-travelling-to-eu-next-summer-will-have-to-pay-7-visa-waiver-charge May not be entirely Brexit related but it is yet another small inconvenience when travelling to the EU in future. Does this mean illegal immigrants will have to get one of these to return to France? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: This seems to fit here; https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/20/uk-citizens-travelling-to-eu-next-summer-will-have-to-pay-7-visa-waiver-charge May not be entirely Brexit related but it is yet another small inconvenience when travelling to the EU in future. It says the scheme will mirror the US ESTA. Well why not? That is a small inconvenience as well. Obviously would rather not pay it but if you have to pay the ESTA fee to enter the US, you can’t really complain about having to pay a similar fee to enter the EU. Plus the few others in the Schengen area. ( Gentle reminder - the UK isn’t part of the EU anymore, it voted to leave) Edited August 20 by The Voice of Reason addition of last sentence penultimate paragraph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said: It says the scheme will mirror the US ESTA. Well why not? That is a small inconvenience as well. Obviously would rather not pay it but if you have to pay the ESTA fee to enter the US, you can’t really complain about having to pay a similar fee to enter the EU. Plus the few others in the Schengen area. ( Gentle reminder - the UK isn’t part of the EU anymore, it voted to leave) Yes you can because you didn't have to pay it pre-brexit ffs! The bottom line will always be that to deliberately make it more complicated, more time-consuming and therefore more expensive to trade with our biggest trading partner that sits right on our doorstep can only be a really fucking stupid thing to do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 3 minutes ago, P.K. said: Yes you can because you didn't have to pay it pre-brexit ffs! The bottom line will always be that to deliberately make it more complicated, more time-consuming and therefore more expensive to trade with our biggest trading partner that sits right on our doorstep can only be a really fucking stupid thing to do... Small price to pay for self-determination. Not an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 25 minutes ago, P.K. said: Yes you can because you didn't have to pay it pre-brexit ffs! Yes and there was a time when you didn’t have to pay an ESTA admin fee. You really need to get out of this mindset. The UK populace spoke and the UK left the EU. Things will naturally change. Some things post Brexit will change from things pre Brexit. It is a small price to pay to regain sovereignty ( €7 Euro for 3 years access to visit the EU ffs,) I will happily pay it. Load of Remainer fuss over nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: ( Gentle reminder - the UK isn’t part of the EU anymore, it voted to leave) Really? F@£king Hell when did that happen? 28 minutes ago, woolley said: Small price to pay for self-determination. Not an issue. It is not really anything to do with self determination real or imagined. It is, however, another small pain in the ass for travelling to a schengen country. It is on top off the additional mucking about at passport control and the restrictions on how long we can spend in the EU. I also believe, not verified it yet, that some EU countries will insist on you having two blank pages next to each other in your passport I order to enter the country. That's fine if you don't travel much but if you do those pages are going to get full quickly and mean spending more on new passports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 2 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: I will happily pay it. Load of Remainer fuss over nothing. Who is fussing? I just posted the link so others will be aware of the changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Just now, manxman1980 said: Who is fussing? PK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 @The Voice of Reason You can't ignore the bigger issue. The UK went from being a top player in the biggest and best trading bloc on the planet straight down to Third Country Trading Status. In other words from being a country who makes EU rules to a country who takes EU rules just as warned. This minor issue starkly illustrates just how diminished the UK has become thanks to the totally stupid and completely unnecessary brexit that was driven mostly by an "immigration" agenda. Which will continue to be pushed by Reform UK because they recognised from the referendum what a vote winner it was. Needless to say your precious "sovrinty" came way down the list. It's still the brexiteers "get out of jail free" card though as amply demonstrated on here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecklessAbandon Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 16 hours ago, woolley said: Small price to pay for self-determination. Not an issue. So having to follow more rules from the EU than before is "self determination"? Strange logic there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, RecklessAbandon said: So having to follow more rules from the EU than before is "self determination"? Strange logic there. The visa waiver charge is not a rule. It is a requirement. The two are quite different. The same visa waiver charge applies to Americans, Australians, Mexicans, Serbians and a whole host of other non EU nationalities. Not sure what the problem is. I’m sure we’ll all get used to it after a while. Edited August 21 by The Voice of Reason Deleted short sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecklessAbandon Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 46 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: The visa waiver charge is not a rule. It is a requirement. The two are quite different. Tomato, tomato, potato, potato. Sounds more like Brexiteer mental gymnastics to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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