Brexit Penny Dropping?

[woolley]

11 hours ago, RecklessAbandon said:

And has been pointed out ad nauseam, it is only supreme except when it isn't.

It's supreme where it conflicts with domestic law in areas of policy that have grown in scope treaty by treaty, and are still growing. You clearly don't understand the subject.

[P.K.]

On 9/1/2024 at 6:27 PM, woolley said:

You're using that as some "get out of jail" card?

Hardly.

Just think small gene pool...   🙂

[RecklessAbandon]

9 hours ago, woolley said:

It's supreme where it conflicts with domestic law in areas of policy that have grown in scope treaty by treaty, and are still growing. You clearly don't understand the subject.

Tell me which bit of "its supreme expect in areas where it is not" you don't understand.

 

[manxman1980]

On 9/1/2024 at 4:54 PM, woolley said:

Perhaps, but the post I answered includes the following:

If the UK ever wants anything approaching free trade with the EU then compromises will have to be made.  As I said earlier the EU as a collective really holds all the cards when compared to the UK.

The UK has a comprehensive free trade agreement with the EU. Probably the most comprehensive one that the EU has with anyone.

Sorry, realised I had not replied...

You are correct, the UK & EU do have a trade agreement and within that agreement the UK has agreed to meet EU standards.  That has been made easier given that the UK had previously been entirely aligned to those standards.  There are still issues to work out such as all the documentation that exporters now need to complete.  It is also not surprising that it is the most comprehensive agreement that the EU has with anyone given how closely tied that UK and EU had been.  

Bottom line is that EU standards are still highly relevant for anyone wishing to trade with the UK and that has become harder (we can argue over to what degree) since Brexit.  If the UK moves further away from EU standards then it is likely to become increasingly onerous for both importers and exporters.

[La Colombe]

I've decided to put this clip into this thread rather than the Trump one because it just fits perfectly. How Farage et al captured the Brexit voter.  Doesn't it? 

 

 

[woolley]

@La Colombe Always the supreme irony that you see fit to cast aspersions at others on the basis of intelligence.

[RecklessAbandon]

11 hours ago, woolley said:

@La Colombe Always the supreme irony that you see fit to cast aspersions at others on the basis of intelligence.

If Brexiteers/Trumpets continue to display such staggering levels of Dunning Kruger mental gymnastics, then they should continue to be called out for it.

[The Voice of Reason]

Now this is funnier than any cut and pasted tweets from ‘X’ could ever be:

A referendum on immigration and complaints about a loss of sovereignty to the EU. Michel Barnier will be familiar with those arguments after years spent negotiating with the Brits over Brexit — but now he's making the exact same points himself.

Barnier — who late last month announced he wanted to be the conservative candidate in next year's French presidential election — on Thursday caused a media firestorm after reportedly calling for "a referendum on the question of immigration" and saying France must regain its "legal sovereignty in order to no longer be subject to the judgments" of the Court of Justice of the European Union and the European Court of Human Rights (the latter of which is not a European Union institution, as any good Brexit negotiator will know).

[RecklessAbandon]

34 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Now this is funnier than any cut and pasted tweets from ‘X’ could ever be:

 

A referendum on immigration and complaints about a loss of sovereignty to the EU. Michel Barnier will be familiar with those arguments after years spent negotiating with the Brits over Brexit — but now he's making the exact same points himself.

Barnier — who late last month announced he wanted to be the conservative candidate in next year's French presidential election — on Thursday caused a media firestorm after reportedly calling for "a referendum on the question of immigration" and saying France must regain its "legal sovereignty in order to no longer be subject to the judgments" of the Court of Justice of the European Union and the European Court of Human Rights (the latter of which is not a European Union institution, as any good Brexit negotiator will know).

Source please.

Based on the tone and the copy/pasted font - Guido Fawkes?

Edited September 5 by RecklessAbandon

[The Voice of Reason]

1 hour ago, RecklessAbandon said:

Source please.

Based on the tone and the copy/pasted font - Guido Fawkes?

That particular source was from Politico, but if you Google “Barnier legal sovereignty” the same story appears in the Independent and the much loved Guardian 

[The Voice of Reason]

From the Independent 

The politician who negotiated the Brexit deal on behalf of Brussels appears to have adopted Eurosceptic rhetoric in his bid to win the presidency for the centre-right Republicans.

“We must regain our legal sovereignty in order to no longer be subjected to the judgements of the European Court of Justice or the European Court of Human Rights,” the former EU Commissioner said on Thursday

[P.K.]

Who can forget that famous photograph of Barnier and his team on one side of the table with their piles of prep in front of them and on the other side was Davis and his team with nothing but sickly grins. You just knew from that one tableau that brexit was going to be a shambles for the UK.

And so it proved...

[The Voice of Reason]

And from Le Monde of all sources;

 Who’d have thunk it?

[P.K.]

6 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

The politician who negotiated the Brexit deal on behalf of Brussels appears to have adopted Eurosceptic rhetoric in his bid to win the presidency for the centre-right Republicans.

“We must regain our legal sovereignty in order to no longer be subjected to the judgements of the European Court of Justice or the European Court of Human Rights,” the former EU Commissioner said on Thursday

The far right resurgence in Europe is not exactly "news" now is it?

Fortunately in France they recognise the dangers of the far right and rallied to keep them out of power. But dangerously they are gaining ground with Hungary, Italy, Finland, Slovakia, the Czech Republic and Croatia having right wing governments and surprisingly support now appearing in Germany as well.

Not good. Not good at all. But thats populist politics for you...

[The Voice of Reason]

12 minutes ago, P.K. said:

The far right resurgence in Europe is not exactly "news" now is it?

Fortunately in France they recognise the dangers of the far right and rallied to keep them out of power. But dangerously they are gaining ground with Hungary, Italy, Finland, Slovakia, the Czech Republic and Croatia having right wing governments and surprisingly support now appearing in Germany as well.

Not good. Not good at all. But thats populist politics for you...

You don’t need me to tell you you’re trying to change the subject, that being your “sovrinty” issue.

You may not be able to grasp the concept but it seems the ex Chief Brexit negotiator on the EU side finally has. 

Edited September 5 by The Voice of Reason
Addition of “be able to”