P.K. Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 It was blindingly obvious that Banks was trying to crush Cadwalladr financially for simply trying to do her job. Fortunately the judge knew it too. But she's right that arseholes with money shouldn't be allowed to behave like that.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 The only thing which has improved since Brexit is the average IQ of EU citizens.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper99 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 4 hours ago, P.K. said: The only thing which has improved since Brexit is the average IQ of EU citizens.... Is that the same phenomenon as if you stopped posting in this thread? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) Have to confess I can't take the credit, it was coined by a Tory Grandee. But as the Leave camp's precious Brexit is turning out to be a complete and utter clusterf~ck in every possible way he has a point. I think all those who voted for brexit should pay an extra tax to make up for the financial hit the rest of us have to suffer due to their folly.... So @Kipper99 , what brexit benefits have you accrued? Edited June 24, 2022 by P.K. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper99 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 58 minutes ago, P.K. said: Have to confess I can't take the credit, it was coined by a Tory Grandee. But as the Leave camp's precious Brexit is turning out to be a complete and utter clusterf~ck in every possible way he has a point. I think all those who voted for brexit should pay an extra tax to make up for the financial hit the rest of us have to suffer due to their folly.... So @Kipper99 , what brexit benefits have you accrued? None. I didn’t expect there to be any. The biggest downside has been the idiots on both sides still harping on all these years later. It is what it is. We have to get on with it. You looking back and whining doesn’t change anything. Just makes you look smug, entitled and, frankly, an intellectual pigmy. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 1 hour ago, P.K. said: Have to confess I can't take the credit, it was coined by a Tory Grandee. But as the Leave camp's precious Brexit is turning out to be a complete and utter clusterf~ck in every possible way he has a point. I think all those who voted for brexit should pay an extra tax to make up for the financial hit the rest of us have to suffer due to their folly.... So @Kipper99 , what brexit benefits have you accrued? If you think Brexit was purely a financial issue then you will never understand the way the vote went the way it did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said: If you think Brexit was purely a financial issue then you will never understand the way the vote went the way it did. More piss poor trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Kipper99 said: None. I didn’t expect there to be any. The biggest downside has been the idiots on both sides still harping on all these years later. It is what it is. We have to get on with it. You looking back and whining doesn’t change anything. Just makes you look smug, entitled and, frankly, an intellectual pigmy. Dear me, don't you learn anything from history? Thatcher polarised the country, sacrificed communities on the alter of political dogma and made a virtue out of greed. That was in 1984 onwards. On her death in 2013, some 29 years later, there was an outpouring of pure hatred for one of the most divisive figures in UK politics. The Bozo legacy is probably worse when all the lies and shenanigans around the totally stupid brexit are taken into account. And all for Bozo's personal gain.... It's simply human nature. So don't try and lecture people who have had "difficulties" because of the totally stupid and completely unnecessary brexit. Incidentally, if you're trying to insult people you know nothing about on "intellectual" grounds then you really need to learn how to spell the word "pygmy" ASAFP. Otherwise you'll just make yourself look foolish. Again... Hope this helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 On 6/19/2022 at 9:25 AM, P.K. said: It was blindingly obvious that Banks was trying to crush Cadwalladr financially for simply trying to do her job. Fortunately the judge knew it too. But she's right that arseholes with money shouldn't be allowed to behave like that.... Oh look! The judge agrees to an appeal... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 57 minutes ago, quilp said: Oh look! The judge agrees to an appeal... Banks tweeted that several days ago. At least try and keep up. "intellectual pigmy" - absolutely classic! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code99 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 What do Nadhim Zahawi, the current Chancellor of the Exchequer, the man who banged on about ‘Metropolitan Elites betraying the will of ordinary people…’, the man who deeply cares about his horses, as evidenced by his desire to use public money to pay “for second home energy bills that related to electricity for (private) stables” and Jeremy Corbyn, the former leader of the Labour Party and a Marxist who at the height of the MPs expenses scandal was consistently identified as a parliamentarian with lowest expenses claims, have in common? An answer is – both, at some point in their political careers, supported Brexit. As much as I like to dismiss the loonies on the right, it pains me to acknowledge that there are also plenty on the left who have historically distrusted the EU, albeit for completely different reasons. The uncanny schism is that while the far-right regard the EU as being too liberal, the far-left consider the EU as too reactionary, too ‘establishment’. Sadly, this is a serious issue with Labour ranks, and it is going to be an uphill battle to convince working-class voters in the so-called ‘Red Wall’ constituencies that the EU is not an ‘evil empire’ - rampant domestic inequality and social injustice, which are largely within the purview of the domestic government of the day, are the sources and solutions of all of their other problems, and that what they should be rallying against. If it was good enough for John Maynard Keynes to quip that “When the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do, sir?”, then I am certain that the time will come when majority will finally accept that Brexit is a con. Ultimately, the facts will clearly speak for themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 6/24/2022 at 11:14 PM, P.K. said: Incidentally, if you're trying to insult people you know nothing about on "intellectual" grounds then you really need to learn how to spell the word "pygmy" ASAFP. Otherwise you'll just make yourself look foolish. Again... Hope this helps! Not that I’m looking to defend Kipper99, P.K., but I’ve always used pigmy as a general noun and Pygmy as a real noun. Looked it up. Seems both are correct, and Kipper99 is correct/you wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prism10 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 5 hours ago, code99 said: What do Nadhim Zahawi, the current Chancellor of the Exchequer, the man who banged on about ‘Metropolitan Elites betraying the will of ordinary people…’, the man who deeply cares about his horses, as evidenced by his desire to use public money to pay “for second home energy bills that related to electricity for (private) stables” and Jeremy Corbyn, the former leader of the Labour Party and a Marxist who at the height of the MPs expenses scandal was consistently identified as a parliamentarian with lowest expenses claims, have in common? An answer is – both, at some point in their political careers, supported Brexit. As much as I like to dismiss the loonies on the right, it pains me to acknowledge that there are also plenty on the left who have historically distrusted the EU, albeit for completely different reasons. The uncanny schism is that while the far-right regard the EU as being too liberal, the far-left consider the EU as too reactionary, too ‘establishment’. Sadly, this is a serious issue with Labour ranks, and it is going to be an uphill battle to convince working-class voters in the so-called ‘Red Wall’ constituencies that the EU is not an ‘evil empire’ - rampant domestic inequality and social injustice, which are largely within the purview of the domestic government of the day, are the sources and solutions of all of their other problems, and that what they should be rallying against. If it was good enough for John Maynard Keynes to quip that “When the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do, sir?”, then I am certain that the time will come when majority will finally accept that Brexit is a con. Ultimately, the facts will clearly speak for themselves. The left always distrusted the EEC/EU because it was an organisation with right wing aims. No state subsidies, privatisation, even reducing provision of social security in relation to their GDP. Then of course free trade and trade unions were not keen on free movement of labour. Historically the left were more anti EU. It was the for EU president Jacque Delors who decided to court the left. The emphasis on treaty binding workers rights, the Social Chapter was the clincher for the left. It was then the right wing parties became more vocally anti EU. Of course some on the left like Corbyn always mis trusted the EU. Many trade unions supported Brexit as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, prism10 said: The left always distrusted the EEC/EU because it was an organisation with right wing aims. No state subsidies, privatisation, even reducing provision of social security in relation to their GDP. Then of course free trade and trade unions were not keen on free movement of labour. Historically the left were more anti EU. It was the for EU president Jacque Delors who decided to court the left. The emphasis on treaty binding workers rights, the Social Chapter was the clincher for the left. It was then the right wing parties became more vocally anti EU. Of course some on the left like Corbyn always mis trusted the EU. Many trade unions supported Brexit as well. The thing about the Social Chapter as with all EU imposed legislation is that the UK shouldn’t have to need the EU to safeguard workers and others rights. It should be quite capable of ensuring its own citizens are treated fairly. And adapt according to individual national circumstances. Some provisions of the Social Chapter might be inappropriate. Some provisions may not go far enough to safeguard individual rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prism10 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: The thing about the Social Chapter as with all EU imposed legislation is that the UK shouldn’t have to need the EU to safeguard workers and others rights. It should be quite capable of ensuring its own citizens are treated fairly. And adapt according to individual national circumstances. Some provisions of the Social Chapter might be inappropriate. Some provisions may not go far enough to safeguard individual rights. There is nothing stopping a British government giving workers more right. The Tories want to distill them with their Singapore on the Thames mantra. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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