manxman1980 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Eris said: The number of traditionally left wing voters in the so called Red Wall seats who voted Tory because they wanted a pro BREXIT government above all else justifies the claim that the 2019 GE was indeed referendum MK2. But the leader of the Labour Party was pro-Brexit. The problem he had was he could not unite his party and had a lot of unpopular socialist policies. 8 minutes ago, Eris said: Because while the UK was a member of the EU an "asylum seeker" could apply for asylum at any point within the EU. That combined with international maritime laws resulted in the god awful mess that saw our having to permit the illegal immigrants to land once within the UK territorial waters and consider their claim. BREXIT should have permitted the UK to save life but immediately return these criminals back to France or whatever safe country they had departed from. For some unfathomable reason the Tory government did not and so far have not returned the by definition criminals back from whence they came. This is one of if not THE subject of most anger by English people. There is absolutely no excuse for not dealing with this ongoing invasion. I could be wrong but weren't the public told by Project Fear that Brexit would not solve the problem of illegal immigrants? I am fairly sure that the Leave Campaign started to mix the idea of the Free Movement of People within the EU and illegal Immigrants. Isn't that where the Immigrant paradox comes from? You know the immigrants that come to the UK take all the jobs but live off benefits and give nothing back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Eris said: Because while the UK was a member of the EU an "asylum seeker" could apply for asylum at any point within the EU. That combined with international maritime laws resulted in the god awful mess that saw our having to permit the illegal immigrants to land once within the UK territorial waters and consider their claim. BREXIT should have permitted the UK to save life but immediately return these criminals back to France or whatever safe country they had departed from. For some unfathomable reason the Tory government did not and so far have not returned the by definition criminals back from whence they came. This is one of if not THE subject of most anger by English people. There is absolutely no excuse for not dealing with this ongoing invasion. Well you can define these people as illegal immigrants and criminals for fleeing persecution etc, and their turning up on UK shores being an “ongoing invasion” That phrase says a lot about you “Return them back to France or whatever safe country they had departed from” Why do you think France or other “safe” country owes these people more of a duty of care than the UK does? Brexit or no Brexit these people are human beings and deserve being treated as such Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code99 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 @Eris You're Nigel Farage Jacob Rees Mogg and I claim my £5! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Eris said: Because while the UK was a member of the EU an "asylum seeker" could apply for asylum at any point within the EU. That combined with international maritime laws resulted in the god awful mess that saw our having to permit the illegal immigrants to land once within the UK territorial waters and consider their claim. BREXIT should have permitted the UK to save life but immediately return these criminals back to France or whatever safe country they had departed from. For some unfathomable reason the Tory government did not and so far have not returned the by definition criminals back from whence they came. This is one of if not THE subject of most anger by English people. There is absolutely no excuse for not dealing with this ongoing invasion. Most folks are well aware that xenophobia played a large part in the brexit vote. However for France to process these folks as Asylum Seekers they would first have to claim asylum in - France. Well, they don't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, code99 said: @Eris You're Nigel Farage Jacob Rees Mogg and I claim my £5! 4 minutes ago, P.K. said: Most folks are well aware that xenophobia played a large part in the brexit vote. However for France to process these folks as Asylum Seekers they would first have to claim asylum in - France. Well, they don't... Ah the old xenophobia/racist argument again. Still where would you rather claim asylum. The UK or France? Kind of validates the Brexit decision doesn’t it? I know which country I’d rather live in. No disrespect to the French. France is a lovely country but given the choice I’d rather be in a country which values its independence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Just now, The Voice of Reason said: Ah the old xenophobia/racist argument again. Still where would you rather claim asylum. The UK or France? Kind of validates the Brexit decision doesn’t it? I know which country I’d rather live in. No disrespect to the French. France is a lovely country but given the choice I’d rather be in a country which values its independence Ah the old independence/sovereignty argument again. Seems that your diligent research failed to uncover what a load of old nonsense that rubbish claim was as well... Lots head to the UK because if they have a second language it's very liable to be English - the language of business... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, P.K. said: Ah the old independence/sovereignty argument again. Seems that your diligent research failed to uncover what a load of old nonsense that rubbish claim was as well... Lots head to the UK because if they have a second language it's very liable to be English - the language of business... They are all business people then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eris Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 46 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Well you can define these people as illegal immigrants and criminals for fleeing persecution etc, and their turning up on UK shores being an “ongoing invasion” That phrase says a lot about you “Return them back to France or whatever safe country they had departed from” Why do you think France or other “safe” country owes these people more of a duty of care than the UK does? Brexit or no Brexit these people are human beings and deserve being treated as such If the immigrants do not claim asylum from the first safe country they enter then they patently obviously are not bonafide asylum seekers but instead are economic migrants and if they enter the UK using an irregular route then they are criminals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eris Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 48 minutes ago, P.K. said: Most folks are well aware that xenophobia played a large part in the brexit vote. However for France to process these folks as Asylum Seekers they would first have to claim asylum in - France. Well, they don't... But they should and if they don't but instead enter the UK by an illegal method they are defacto criminals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eris Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 51 minutes ago, P.K. said: Most folks are well aware that xenophobia played a large part in the brexit vote. However for France to process these folks as Asylum Seekers they would first have to claim asylum in - France. Well, they don't... Not xenophobia, national pride, and return of sovereignty as a result of escaping from the singularly undemocratic EU is a perfectly correct and desirable aim. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Eris said: But they should and if they don't but instead enter the UK by an illegal method they are defacto criminals. But if I am starving and pinch an apple from a market stall I am a criminal ( not a de facto one) That doesn’t mean I should have my hands cut off and be deported. We have moved on since those days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 8 hours ago, Eris said: Not xenophobia, national pride, and return of sovereignty as a result of escaping from the singularly undemocratic EU is a perfectly correct and desirable aim. Oh dear, right back to all the usual lies from Messers Farage, Gove, Johnson, The Daily Mail, The Express, The Sun & The Daily Telegraph. Why don't you write to all of the above and ask them bluntly why it is that whatever version of brexit you thought you were voting for failed to stop the "Rubber Boat Criminals" from coming to UK shores? I'm sure their replies will be most illuminating. It seems some folks have learned nothing from the complete and utter shambles that is their precious brexit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 11 hours ago, Eris said: Not xenophobia, national pride, and return of sovereignty as a result of escaping from the singularly undemocratic EU is a perfectly correct and desirable aim. Exactly, however there are some that seem unable to untie themselves from the EU’s apron strings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Exactly, however there are some that seem unable to untie themselves from the EU’s apron strings. You're having a laugh! Leaving the Single Market and Custom's Union was beyond stupid. So now we're all f~cked over by the totally unnecessary and completely stupid brexit... ETA brexit update: https://youtu.be/IUiJxH2pclM Edited August 2, 2022 by P.K. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 12 hours ago, Eris said: Not xenophobia, national pride, and return of sovereignty as a result of escaping from the singularly undemocratic EU is a perfectly correct and desirable aim. How's that working out for them then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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