P.K. Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, Eris said: Can't and wouldn't argue with that. You should be pleased that you got what you voted for. While waiting for hours and hours in the queues to enter France all the Brexiteers could always get out their blue passports and admire them There is an index of how "powerful" a passport is based on visas to enter that are required etc etc. I believe the expression is "without let or hindrance" which for UK folks post brexit has become something of an oxymoron. The latest table: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 6 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: Mais oui. Just like the 1975 referendum on whether the UK should remain in the EEC Just remember, Mr Belfield, the Crown Court judge told you to be careful what you posted on line between your conviction and sentence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, manxman1980 said: Everyone was queuing to cross the French Border. As a sovereign nation it is up to the French to decide how best to staff that border crossing. It's not their problem that this caused huge delays and queues in a third party country. Well of course they are free to not staff the border crossing adequately and piss off and inconvenience citizens of a third party country. As is the right of anyone to assert that the disruption it causes is somehow an unavoidable consequence of Brexit Edited August 5, 2022 by The Voice of Reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: Well of course they are free to not staff the border crossing adequately and piss off and inconvenience citizens of a third party country. As is the right of anyone to assert that the disruption it causes is somehow an unavoidable consequence of Brexit "Third Country Status" was always going to be a great deal less than full membership of the EU. Absolutely amazed that your diligent brexit research failed to reveal this very obvious "difficulty" that comes with leaving the EU. What's your excuse...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 9 hours ago, P.K. said: "Third Country Status" was always going to be a great deal less than full membership of the EU. Absolutely amazed that your diligent brexit research failed to reveal this very obvious "difficulty" that comes with leaving the EU. What's your excuse...? I don’t need an excuse. Sometimes in life you have to make choices. You can take the “easy” option or you can do what’s right. Continue with the status quo because you have no self belief and you are scared to let go. Or set yourself free to take the opportunities and face the challenges that that offers, both for yourself and for future generations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said: I don’t need an excuse. Sometimes in life you have to make choices. You can take the “easy” option or you can do what’s right. Continue with the status quo because you have no self belief and you are scared to let go. Or set yourself free to take the opportunities and face the challenges that that offers, both for yourself and for future generations. The “easy” option is always cut and run. The right option, with all that may have been wrong with the EU, was to stay, fight for change from the inside. That’s not the status quo. That’s facing the challenges. Running is not setting yourself free. The exact opposite. So what’s your excuse for cutting and running? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 11 hours ago, P.K. said: "Third Country Status" was always going to be a great deal less than full membership of the EU. Absolutely amazed that your diligent brexit research failed to reveal this very obvious "difficulty" that comes with leaving the EU. What's your excuse...? It's getting to be Third World Status.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eris Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Third world STATE that the UK is entering into is due to awful and corrupt UK government. Third world STATUS is simply the relationship with the corrupt EC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 12 minutes ago, Eris said: Third world STATE that the UK is entering into is due to awful and corrupt UK government. Third world STATUS is simply the relationship with the corrupt EC. How is the "EC" corrupt? Please no speculative lies and nonsense from the Daily Mail, the Express, the Sun and the Telegraph. Actual arrests leading to convictions. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 4 hours ago, John Wright said: The “easy” option is always cut and run. The right option, with all that may have been wrong with the EU, was to stay, fight for change from the inside. That’s not the status quo. That’s facing the challenges. Running is not setting yourself free. The exact opposite. So what’s your excuse for cutting and running? The UK has been fighting for years ( decades) and facing the challenges. From opting out of the social chapter , to not adopting the Euro, to exemption from the principle of “ever closer union” in Cameron’s renegotiation package ( that worked for him didn’t it!) It has become obvious over the years that the UK and the EU have different ambitions for the Union and that the UK view would never prevail. After all why should it as one country out of 28? So it’s time to acknowledge the reality of the situation and for the UK to leave the EU and plough it’s own furrow, which is nothing like “ cutting and running”. All these recriminations and bitterness from the Remainers is totally unnecessary. The decision has been made by the people of the UK and implemented by the Government. Let it be as much an amicable parting as it can be and for each party to commit to working together, outside the confines of the EU, on matters of mutual interest. As I said in a previous post once the new relationship has bedded in we will all be wondering what all the fuss was about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, P.K. said: How is the "EC" corrupt? Please no speculative lies and nonsense from the Daily Mail, the Express, the Sun and the Telegraph. Actual arrests leading to convictions. Thanks. However speculative lies and nonsense from the Guardian are always welcome.😁 Edited August 6, 2022 by The Voice of Reason 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eris Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 23 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: The UK has been fighting for years ( decades) and facing the challenges. From opting out of the social chapter , to not adopting the Euro, to exemption from the principle of “ever closer union” in Cameron’s renegotiation package ( that worked for him didn’t it!) It has become obvious over the years that the UK and the EU have different ambitions for the Union and that the UK view would never prevail. After all why should it as one country out of 28? So it’s time to acknowledge the reality of the situation and for the UK to leave the EU and plough it’s own furrow, which is nothing like “ cutting and running”. All these recriminations and bitterness from the Remainers is totally unnecessary. The decision has been made by the people of the UK and implemented by the Government. Let it be as much an amicable parting as it can be and for each party to commit to working together, outside the confines of the EU, on matters of mutual interest. As I said in a previous post once the new relationship has bedded in we will all be wondering what all the fuss was about. Surely the fact that the UK government has NOT implemented full BREXIT is causing so many difficulties. The terrible dependence on invisible exports by the UK together with profit opportunities for so many UK makers and shakers by continuing activities not in the interest of the UK general public has really muddied the waters. The UK now desperately needs a General Election if only to cleanse the hives for a term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Eris said: Surely the fact that the UK government has NOT implemented full BREXIT is causing so many difficulties. The terrible dependence on invisible exports by the UK together with profit opportunities for so many UK makers and shakers by continuing activities not in the interest of the UK general public has really muddied the waters. The UK now desperately needs a General Election if only to cleanse the hives for a term. No, the problems are because the UK government has implemented a (full ) hard Brexit. We've left without any proper trade agreements in place. We’ve thrown out 50 years of regulatory and market integration, all at once. Because we wouldn’t agree to future regulatory alignment with the EU has meant that even the trade we can do is bound by more regulations than we’ve got rid of. That’s our choice. And it’ll get worse. Brexit has gone too far, too fast. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eris Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, John Wright said: No, the problems are because the UK government has implemented a (full ) hard Brexit. We've left without any proper trade agreements in place. We’ve thrown out 50 years of regulatory and market integration, all at once. Because we wouldn’t agree to future regulatory alignment with the EU has meant that even the trade we can do is bound by more regulations than we’ve got rid of. That’s our choice. And it’ll get worse. Brexit has gone too far, too fast. Opinions are like, well most of us know what opinions are like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Eris said: Opinions are like, well most of us know what opinions are like! Apart from the final line it’s all fact! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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