Brexit Penny Dropping?

[John Wright]

6 minutes ago, Eris said:

John Major relinquished UK sovereignty when he signed Maastricht.   I do wonder where BREXIT leaves the Island though in view of its relationship with the UK.  That's not yet been tested in court but it might be amusing when it eventually is.

You’ve avoided answering the questions.

[Eris]

4 minutes ago, John Wright said:

You’ve avoided answering the questions.

Not enough space to answer.  There are so many examples etc. but we'll get there in the end.

[John Wright]

16 minutes ago, Eris said:

Not enough space to answer.  There are so many examples etc. but we'll get there in the end.

So, there are none! You can’t even give one example

[Passing Time]

On 8/6/2022 at 5:50 PM, P.K. said:

And then there's this:

The Guardian is most trusted by its readers among UK newspapers, finds Ofcom

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/aug/13/the-guardian-is-most-trusted-by-its-readers-among-uk-newspapers-finds-ofcom

Folks tend to read a newspaper that aligns with their prejudices. So it comes as no surprise at all that you're a fan of the right wing load of old nonsense that is The Telegraph.

As that was two years ago, do you have something a bit more up to date?

[Eris]

26 minutes ago, John Wright said:

So, there are none! You can’t even give one example

Now you more than others should know better than try to play THAT card!

[manxman1980]

2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Yes it’s correct that it is the Chancellor of a pro Brexit government.

I am not quite sure what point you’re trying to make. The only party ,except maybe for a few fringe parties,that was anti-Brexit was the Liberals ( and look how they fared!) Labour was ambiguous to say the least.

I’m really not sure how you come to the conclusion that the Government statement is “ another example of it bending the truth to breaking point in an attempt to look good”

Its a factual statement and is the truth. I can’t see that there is any bending involved but feel free to explain.

It is in the interests of this Government to blame anyone but themselves. 

This Government is still claiming the last Labour Government are to blame for a whole host of things, despite Labour last being in power over 12 years ago.

The Tory party have also blamed the EU for many things which were in fact UK Government decisions and not made in the EU.

They rely on people to not look too closely at the facts and instead swallow the crap spouted by certain newspapers. A method used by the outgoing Prime Minister even before he was an MP!

Bendy banannas anyone? 

[John Wright]

1 hour ago, Eris said:

Now you more than others should know better than try to play THAT card!

Leave campaign video. All the promises, not one delivered!

https://fb.watch/eMU_-Ue3pT/

 

[Eris]

4 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Leave campaign video. All the promises, not one delivered!

https://fb.watch/eMU_-Ue3pT/

 

And that's the BIG problem.  The UK government have singularly failed to deliver what had been promised from ending Rubber Boat people to ending the Ulster treason that May signed up to.  Gina Miller and Bercow really poisoned the well and conservative MPs plus their handlers have turned a very difficult situation much worse than it should have been and the awful mismanagement of the covid pandemic just made a difficult situation very much worse.  As for the adoption of furloughing rather than redundancy, well there's probably the basis of a good number of doctoral dissertations in that alone.

[P.K.]

1 hour ago, Passing Time said:

As that was two years ago, do you have something a bit more up to date?

Today's paper do?

[Passing Time]

4 minutes ago, P.K. said:

Today's paper do?

No - how about an independent review more up to date than 2020

[P.K.]

8 minutes ago, Eris said:

And that's the BIG problem.  The UK government have singularly failed to deliver what had been promised from ending Rubber Boat people to ending the Ulster treason that May signed up to.  Gina Miller and Bercow really poisoned the well and conservative MPs plus their handlers have turned a very difficult situation much worse than it should have been and the awful mismanagement of the covid pandemic just made a difficult situation very much worse.  As for the adoption of furloughing rather than redundancy, well there's probably the basis of a good number of doctoral dissertations in that alone.

Gina Miller and John Bercow upheld the rule of law. Which means you're talking nonsense.

I see the appalling Daily Mail, inevitably, are trying to rubbish the committee which will look into how much of a liar Bozo Johnson is. So they obviously think he's guilty.

[John Wright]

19 minutes ago, Eris said:

And that's the BIG problem.  The UK government have singularly failed to deliver what had been promised from ending Rubber Boat people to ending the Ulster treason that May signed up to.  Gina Miller and Bercow really poisoned the well and conservative MPs plus their handlers have turned a very difficult situation much worse than it should have been and the awful mismanagement of the covid pandemic just made a difficult situation very much worse.  As for the adoption of furloughing rather than redundancy, well there's probably the basis of a good number of doctoral dissertations in that alone.

1. Controlling undocumented immigration by non EU citizens was always something exclusively UK. Brexit has no effect, one way or the other.

2. May negotiated a back stop. It didn’t get through Parliament. It’s not in the treaty. Boris negotiated the NI Protocol and misrepresented it, and now wants to breach international law and tear it up.

3. what has furloughing got to do with Brexit, and how do you think having to pay unfair dismissal and redundancy would have hit most businesses.

As for Miller, she just challenged things in court, as is her right in a free, sovereign democracy.

Bercow, was just responding to the inability of government to get things done as it struggled against the lurch to the right and hard Brexit.

[Eris]

1 minute ago, John Wright said:

1. Controlling undocumented immigration by non EU citizens was always something exclusively UK. Brexit has no effect, one way or the other.

2. May negotiated a back stop. It didn’t get through Parliament. It’s not in the treaty. Boris negotiated the NI Protocol and misrepresented it, and now wants to breach international law and tear it up.

3. what has furloughing got to do with Brexit, and how do you think having to pay unfair dismissal and redundancy would have hit most businesses.

As for Miller, she just challenged things in court, as is her right in a free, sovereign democracy.

Bercow, was just responding to the inability of government to get things done as it struggled against the lurch to the right and hard Brexit.

 

[Eris]

Just now, Eris said:

 

In your opinion.

[John Wright]

2 minutes ago, Eris said:

In your opinion.

1 , 2 & 3 are fact. Not opinion.

Miller is definitely fact, not opinion.

Ill give you that Bercow is opinion.