Petrol and diesel RIP OFF

[Happier diner]

28 minutes ago, WTF said:

batteries don't last forever and a semi discharged topped up every opportunity battery will have a shorter lifecycle than  optimum, the cost of a replacement battery will be a massive expense that won't be included in any manufacturers advertised costings.  if you can buy new the battery may not be an issue, the depreciation will be,  if you buy used and think you have a bargain with little depreciation expected the battery will probably spoil that perceived saving.

It's true. They don't last for ever and the performance does degrade over time. However they seem to be lasting the life of the cars, even in the older ones like the first civics  and Toyota hybrids. With that in mind it's seems less likely to be am big issue going forward. 

[AcousticallyChallenged]

50 minutes ago, WTF said:

batteries don't last forever and a semi discharged topped up every opportunity battery will have a shorter lifecycle than  optimum, the cost of a replacement battery will be a massive expense that won't be included in any manufacturers advertised costings.  if you can buy new the battery may not be an issue, the depreciation will be,  if you buy used and think you have a bargain with little depreciation expected the battery will probably spoil that perceived saving.

Actually you'll find that the shallower the cycle the better.

A battery cycled between 40% and 80% can last thousands of cycles longer than a battery going from 80 to 20% for example.

Vauxhall/GM did it with the Volt/Ampera, the battery has 15kWh but only allows you to use 10.8kWh. There are maybe a handful of battery failures, and no signs of degradation even on high mileage ones over the last 8+ years. They were built to meet the 15 year warranty required by California.

 

[John Wright]

On 8/30/2021 at 9:32 AM, Happier diner said:

If the ethanol is produced by fermentation of biomass then how does it reduce CO2 footprint. The fermentation process produces lots of CO2 as does the combustion. 

Perhaps the argument is the the plant material uses atmospheric CO2 to grow.

It’s got to be taken over the cycle, fixing CO2 from the atmosphere whilst growing, fermentation/distillation producing/using CO2 in the manufacturing, and running the motor whilst being combusted in the motor. 

The amount fixed and the amount emitted will be identical, so it’s neutral. The power used in the production needs to be added. However ethanol produces 10%  less CO2 per unit of energy delivered, so the overall is better in terms of emissions on three grounds.

1. less greenhouse gas per litre

2. the cycle is neutral

3. burning fossil fuels releases CO2 which was fixed and removed from the atmosphere thousands of millenia ago

[Banker]

Article on Bbc about the new fuel type E10 being rolled out in uk , 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58398606

if you have to use E5 as car incompatible it will be 12p per liter more 

Edited September 1, 2021 by Banker

[Annoymouse]

2 hours ago, Banker said:

Article on Bbc about the new fuel type E10 being rolled out in uk , 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58398606

if you have to use E5 as car incompatible it will be 12p per liter more 

I suppose it’s worth highlighting for those who do regular journeys in the UK, it could catch quite a few people out, particularly when it’s not something we need to be concerned about here.

[Cambon]

4 hours ago, Banker said:

Article on Bbc about the new fuel type E10 being rolled out in uk , 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58398606

if you have to use E5 as car incompatible it will be 12p per liter more 

Regular unleaded will be E10. Super unleaded (which can cost up to 12P per litre more) will be E5. V-Power and equivalents will not contain ethanol. 

E5 and E10 cannot be stored in the metal tanks we have, so not an issue here. 

[Banker]

20 hours ago, Cambon said:

Regular unleaded will be E10. Super unleaded (which can cost up to 12P per litre more) will be E5. V-Power and equivalents will not contain ethanol. 

E5 and E10 cannot be stored in the metal tanks we have, so not an issue here. 

May not be an issue yet but with pressure to cut carbon emissions I can see the fuel without ethanol being taxed more which will mean even more expensive fuel for IOM, more tax receipts though!

[HeliX]

21 hours ago, Cambon said:

Regular unleaded will be E10. Super unleaded (which can cost up to 12P per litre more) will be E5. V-Power and equivalents will not contain ethanol. 

E5 and E10 cannot be stored in the metal tanks we have, so not an issue here. 

The label on the V-Power I topped up with in the north east last week said E5. It was also considerably more expensive than our equivalent - though I believe ours is only 97-98 Octane rather than the 99 of V-Power.

[Bombay Bad Boy]

Am I right in thinking all our local EV charging points are powered by this enormous gas-burning power station that we have?

[HeliX]

1 minute ago, Bombay Bad Boy said:

Am I right in thinking all our local EV charging points are powered by this enormous gas-burning power station that we have?

There's a few generation methods on the island isn't there? I'd imagine the EV points are just connected to the grid, so will have come from a mix of the power station, the energy from waste station, electricity that's been bought from the UK etc etc

[Banker]

1 hour ago, Bombay Bad Boy said:

Am I right in thinking all our local EV charging points are powered by this enormous gas-burning power station that we have?

Well there’s no wind or solar power so where do you think electricity comes from?

[Cambon]

2 hours ago, HeliX said:

 

The information I referred to came from a magazine I receive as a member of vintage motoring club. The changes take effect from yesterday. It would be interesting to know if V-Power is still E5. 

 

[Cambon]

3 hours ago, Banker said:

May not be an issue yet but with pressure to cut carbon emissions I can see the fuel without ethanol being taxed more which will mean even more expensive fuel for IOM, more tax receipts though!

Think is, it is all rubbish. Burning ethanol still generates carbon dioxide and water. 

[John Wright]

1 hour ago, Cambon said:

Think is, it is all rubbish. Burning ethanol still generates carbon dioxide and water. 

But it’s the cycle length that’s important.

The CO2 from burning ethanol will be captured by the short life plant crops which are then harvested, and converted into ethanol, within 12 months. So it’s carbon neutral.

Fossil fuels the carbon was captured millions of years ago and the CO2 released on use won’t be captured and stored for centuries. 

Do you now understand the difference.

Ethanol C02 goes round and round. No increase in CO2 over the very short cycle.

Fossil fuel CO2 was captured and has been out of circulation for a very long time and so gets added to atmospheric CO2 and increases greenhouse gases.

[Cambon]

Of course I understand it, but it is carbon neutral, as you say. If is not going to reduce carbon in th atmosphere. All it will do is increase food prices, especially in and to third world countries as more and more land is turned over to growing corn for production of ethanol rather than food.