Banker Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 37 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Free buses Who will pay for the free buses? The taxpayers with increased taxes which will need to be even higher to pay for the loss of taxes from sales of fuels as well as lost fares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Banker said: Who will pay for the free buses? The taxpayers with increased taxes which will need to be even higher to pay for the loss of taxes from sales of fuels as well as lost fares You're already subsidising them to the tune of millions, a few more won't make a difference budget wise, but free buses would carry enormous other benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Banker said: Who will pay for the free buses? The taxpayers with increased taxes which will need to be even higher to pay for the loss of taxes from sales of fuels as well as lost fares Seems to be working in Luxembourg another successful finance centre. Started just over a year ago. "trains, trams and buses -- in the country is now free. The government hopes the move will alleviate heavy congestion and bring environmental benefits," Similar objectives. Certainly worth a few ministers having a VIP visit even if there is no chance of it happening here. 🙄😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Free buses would be viable if there were not so bloody many of them. They drive around empty every 15 minutes. Make it less frequent and make it free..................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: Free buses would be viable if there were not so bloody many of them. They drive around empty every 15 minutes. Make it less frequent and make it free..................... Yes but make it free to increase uptake, like we want , we will need more frequent buses to cope with demand. Virtuous circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Annoymouse said: What’s the alternative? cars being more affordable to everyone is what has forced the issue, even down to finance deals. Finance deals can be designed to trap you into them. Who wouldn't like the idea of a newer car on PCP for less than they'd spend on a hire purchase agreement? However, the price you'd pay at the end to keep the car is usually a sizable sum to the tune of thousands and thousands. At the end, you can either pay the final payment, or, you can trade the car in for another finance deal. Turns out, it can be quite hard to pay that final figure, but you need a car, so you chop it in for another. The island can be quite hard going if you don't have a car at all. There are enough commutes that'd be impossible by public transport. Note that the people working the least sociable hours tend to be doing so out of necessity, penalising them for getting to work, when there's little other option at 4 in the morning may not be the right approach. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, doc.fixit said: I fancy a bus for everyone! I think I'd turn mine into a campervan. There'd be plenty of Merc Sprinters for the starting point... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Posted in the Speed thread but this is too good to waste. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/no-ethanol-based-fuel-for-the-island/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 What does it all mean Del..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, quilp said: What does it all mean Del..? We can keep trundling around in our old jalopies! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 it Basically means that there’s a climate emergency- we know cos Howard told us, but we choose to selectively ignore things like reducing the petrol content of fuel because, well, it might mean falling out with someone. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Can't the govt just tell the local fuel company that it is required to supply E10? And slap an extra tax on the older style stuff? There is no reason why the older stuff could not also be available at a few outlets for people still running around in heritage vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, pongo said: Can't the govt just tell the local fuel company that it is required to supply E10? And slap an extra tax on the older style stuff? There is no reason why the older stuff could not also be available at a few outlets for people still running around in heritage vehicles. Why the need to extra tax the non E10? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, pongo said: Can't the govt just tell the local fuel company that it is required to supply E10? And slap an extra tax on the older style stuff? There is no reason why the older stuff could not also be available at a few outlets for people still running around in heritage vehicles. I think it’s more complex than just older vehicles, isn’t it the case we don’t have any ethanol because the petrol stations, the equipment, the storage and the entire infrastructure isn’t suitable and would all need to be upgraded? That’s what I was told many years ago when E5 was introduced. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 I came across e10 fuel about 4 years ago in a tiny filling station in N.Spain. Since then in all sorts of places around Europe. Are the garage petrol tanks really any different on IOM from everywhere else in Europe or is this just a myth to enable the government to be different and not stock this new grade of fuel. Surely if it is more eco friendly they should be supporting the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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