Cost of government

[Ramseyboi]

24 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Yes

Finance

Which century?

 

[finlo]

43 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

And the public sector does nothing?

Its not about generating the money.It’s about serving the public (Public servants- get it?)

Try living  without them.

Who would collect your taxes and oversee the spending thereof?

Who would police your streets?

Who would put your fires out?

Who might operate on you to save your life?

Who would collect the millions of pounds in VAT?

Who would administer the payment of your benefits?

 

 

 

I wasn't meaning those at the coalface.

[buncha wankas]

2 hours ago, Banker said:

Good summary from Gef from those who don’t want to read the full version.

The increasing salaries & the numbers earning over £50k in government are eye watering & not sustainable without tax rises.

https://gef.im/2021/09/02/deep-blue-book-back-in-the-black/?fbclid=IwAR1tVlCa9DtbSIvpj_7xk4dtuh2IsjvTA8pt-578xuV6lfD937BF-SF6xqU

 

 

Manx radio….how much…. Ffs 

[Derek Flint]

Is this really about the salaries (some of which I agree are inflated), or whether the tax payer gets monies worth, or is it just in fact about competence?

My former job paid over £50k (pegged with the UK salary scale), but I was appraised, externally accredited and reaccredited in my key specialisms and the role required regular application of complex decision making where life was at risk. All accountable, and with consequences if I or my peers didn’t come up to the bar. There’s lots of similar positionstoo,  such as on the medical side, all commanding high wages. However, there are a good number where no real risk is managed, and there are no such sanctions. I suppose they are what are referred to as non-jobs. 

The question is, what do you do about it? It’s certainly not within the control of tynwald.

[The Voice of Reason]

9 hours ago, Ramseyboi said:

Which century?

 

Straddling last century and this one.

[Lost Login]

I am not that bothered about the number over £50, 000 as it could simply be an increase from £49,950 to £50,050 what I am more concerned about is the wage bill, including consultants fees, as a whole and gross expenditure. Wages & salaries appears to have grown from £495m in 2019/20 to £530 in 2020/21 whilst gross expenditure, taking unrealised losses and gains out of the figure, has grown from £1,326m last year to £1,501m this year if my calculations are correct.  Over a £100m of that appears to be Covid support.

The increase in the pension liability from £3.76bn to £4.80bn also seems worthy of note. Although these big swings often appear to be due to changes in assumptions an increase of over 25% does appear concerning. 

 

[Banker]

UK considering increase in NI if between 1&2% to fund health & social care costs, the IIOM will probably need to follow suit or remove cap on contributions for higher earners.

[The Voice of Reason]

54 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

That’s the funniest thing I’ve read in a while. 

You seem easily amused

[HNWI]

11 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

And the public sector does nothing?

Its not about generating the money.It’s about serving the public (Public servants- get it?)

Try living  without them.

Who would collect your taxes and oversee the spending thereof?

Who would police your streets?

Who would put your fires out?

Who might operate on you to save your life?

Who would collect the millions of pounds in VAT?

Who would administer the payment of your benefits?

I look in on this (and other) forums periodically and being quite honest, one or two of your posts have to be the largest pieces of sanctimonious claptrap put into writing that I have ever have the misfortune to read.

I don't doubt that there are some dutiful and diligent public sector workers but the fact is that public servants on the Island, aided and abetted by politicians, have inflicted upon its taxpayers some of the most expensive foul ups seen not just here and UK but in Western Europe too.

From a power station costing close to half a billion pounds to a Forex debacle involved at the airport, to weakness in negotiation on the purchase of a parcel of land on Merseyside, as recently highlighted by an island politician, with ongoing rising costs, to the capital's Promenade scheme and a hugely increasing public sector headcount and wage bill, the list is endless over the last twenty years in particular.

If anybody in the private sector had been responsible for such as the above with the results to date they would most likely never work again on the Island, if anywhere else, or be in jail if misdoing or corruption was proved to be involved. They certainly wouldn't be in my employ.

But no, in the island public sector such practice is quietly covered over and forgotten about and those involved move comfortably on towards superannuation often with promotion.

Your statement above that "if taxes have to rise to pay for such conduct so be it", perfectly, purely and simply frames the culture of complacency, expectancy, entitlement and self importance that appears to riddle the Island's senior public sector. An utter failure to remember or appreciate the value of EARNED wealth rather than that simply presented in annual payrises and promotions by a system that requires few if any performance parameters to award such. It succinctly encapsulates all that is wrong.

I note from another of your posts in another thread that your idea of an leisure is to spend afternoons "mooching" in a local hardware store? If you are indeed the product of the Island's public sector then I have no difficulty whatsoever in believing this. It will be the remnants of just the sort of culture ingrained during your public sector career.

 

 

[Ramseyboi]

2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Straddling last century and this one.

And I assume ending fairly early in this one.  Your “insight” all seems very dated.  I would put money on it that the last time you were paid by someone one who isn’t iomg I was still wearing green double breasted suits from Burtons.

[the stinking enigma]

I'd take everything the voice of reason says with a pinch of salt. You can't really expect much more from someone that has a petty thief as their avatar.

[Max Power]

It is impossible to compare the public and private sectors, they are apples and oranges. 

The public sector depends solely upon the process, which must be followed at all costs to supposedly protect public spending. Of course it doesn't work, there is no real buy in from senior civil servants down to the plebs. They have no financial interest and are unlikely to suffer the consequences of failure. This isn't altogether a bad thing, many projects and tasks are foisted upon some individuals, where they have no say in how they are to be carried out or what the expected outcome is. This is decided politically and the CS can always point to the politicians. Then again, would we want the PS to be run on private sector lines, with the certain loss of services?

The private sector is totally profit driven, if it doesn't turn a profit, it's gone. If we applied that philosophy to everything in the public sector we would soon be left with not a lot of services, a lot of voluntary organisations running things perhaps? (maybe not a bad thing?)  

I'd like to think that public/private partnerships would be the answer, where negotiations and business decisions would be handled by a committee of private entrepreneurs and handed over to the public sector to run and finance. This would probably throw up a whole new can of worms and levels of bureaucracy with ensuing high costs?  

[Andy Onchan]

13 hours ago, Banker said:

Some but the main problem is that there’s too many mediocre staff earning big salaries & blocking the younger ones with real ability who leave to private sector.

The lack of accountability, proper assessments are performance related pay is a major issue as no real incentive to perform at higher levels 

And, of course, it's not necessarily what you know but who you know when it comes to promotion.

[Beelzebub3]

Just now, Andy Onchan said:

And, of course, it's not necessarily what you know but who you know when it comes to promotion.

or who's kissing the bosses ass, that goes a long towards promotion.

[The Voice of Reason]

46 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

Sorry but you just sound like the typical civil servant who thinks it’s still the 1990s here and that everyone in the finance sector is earning over £50K a year. The financial sector is probably the poorest paid sector going now. And the number of £50K jobs are few and far between. You’re earning more now being a good sparky or plumber than you’ll ever earn in the finance sector here yet there’s people like you talking complete rubbish to try to justify what are basically government £50K + admin salaries. 

I didn’t say everyone in the finance sector is earning over £50 k a year. I said it was not an uncommon salary ( which it isn’t)