Douglas Sh@hole!

[Non-Believer]

8 hours ago, Passing Time said:

Stop him wasting time and money

It's Douglas ratepayers money so that's not a consideration.

IIRC, @Amadeusmentioned that he was going to look into this some time ago?

[Gladys]

34 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

It's Douglas ratepayers money so that's not a consideration.

IIRC, @Amadeusmentioned that he was going to look into this some time ago?

The sweep of the sea around Douglas bay was changed with the construction of the extended breakwater in the early 80s.  The groynes and seawall all seemed to work quite well up to that point. 

Whether that explains why seaweed is shovelled around to little avail or not, I don't know. But it does seem a pointless, recurring and expensive exercise in futility. 

[The Bastard]

4 hours ago, AOR said:

Your demeanour is uncalled for

The clue is in my name.

4 hours ago, AOR said:

I will not move from my home thank you. And will continue to point out that 3:30am licensing to accommodate pissheads is too late, along with their 4:0am onwards nosey ramble home. 

Douglas is catering for the lowest common denominator. The drunk and/or drugged up.

I've grown tired of listening to your pet hate of people enjoying themselves late at night in a city centre with dare-I-say-it *alcohol* (intake of breath) beyond an arbitrary time that suits you.

You have no evidence of drugs being involved with the randoms occasionally shouting outside your regal palace but you're willing to drag it in to try to win sympathy through an exaggerated claim, because "drugs" sounds like a big scary monster that the tartan-slippered massive should be deathly afraid of.

I've got little sympathy though. It's a city centre, it's supporting local businesses, there's little enough to do here, there's only a couple of late clubs and there are not exactly roaming gangs of hundreds of heroin-addicted drunks burning down Douglas every weekend.

It's literally a couple of noisy people occasionally passing your palace late at night, and asking the Police to deal with it on the rare occasion that it happens would make sense, as would sticking in some earplugs on a weekend, if you are determined not to move out of the city centre to somewhere quieter where no doubt you could complain about the rabbits nibbling your courgettes.

Honestly, living in the city has its advantages and drawbacks, and whether a passing drunk wakes you at 2 or 4 doesn't make much difference. Banning everyone and everything is not the answer, it's our own choices that sometimes make things difficult. If you don't like the consequences of city life, imposing your prejudices upon everyone else might not be the answer.

[Augustus]

"living in the city" What, Douglas? 

[AOR]

10 hours ago, The Bastard said:

if you are determined not to move out of the city centre to somewhere quieter where no doubt you could complain about the rabbits nibbling your courgettes.

 

Why should I move from my home?

The Isle of Man has always had an alcohol culture, it is what made the Island a tourist attraction (far, far more than sandy beeches and glens). Buyt even in Douglas the place closed down around midnight, until 1990s that was pushed to 1:00am.

I'll leave the druggie bit out in future but you know as well as I do that there are body stumulants involved here more than a few pints or vodkas.

3:30am licensing for nosey hyped up drinking is far too late for any society.

The licensing authority is pandering to the greed of the businesseds and - I say again - pandering to the LCD.

Douglas is becoming a Loud Late Night Sh@thole.

That is Douglas Isle of Man. Not some urban shitehole in the adjacent fucking isle.

[Roger Mexico]

1 hour ago, Augustus said:

"living in the city" What, Douglas? 

I blame that Mrs Windsor.  She's obviously given the local rowdies ideas above their station and they now think they have misbehave for louder and longer to justify 'city status'.

[Passing Time]

11 hours ago, Gladys said:

The sweep of the sea around Douglas bay was changed with the construction of the extended breakwater in the early 80s.  The groynes and seawall all seemed to work quite well up to that point. 

Whether that explains why seaweed is shovelled around to little avail or not, I don't know. But it does seem a pointless, recurring and expensive exercise in futility. 

DBC explained in six words...

[Passing Time]

45 minutes ago, AOR said:

Why should I move from my home?

The Isle of Man has always had an alcohol culture, it is what made the Island a tourist attraction (far, far more than sandy beeches and glens). Buyt even in Douglas the place closed down around midnight, until 1990s that was pushed to 1:00am.

I'll leave the druggie bit out in future but you know as well as I do that there are body stumulants involved here more than a few pints or vodkas.

3:30am licensing for nosey hyped up drinking is far too late for any society.

The licensing authority is pandering to the greed of the businesseds and - I say again - pandering to the LCD.

Douglas is becoming a Loud Late Night Sh@thole.

That is Douglas Isle of Man. Not some urban shitehole in the adjacent fucking isle.

[jackwhite]

51 minutes ago, AOR said:

Why should I move from my home?

The Isle of Man has always had an alcohol culture, it is what made the Island a tourist attraction (far, far more than sandy beeches and glens). Buyt even in Douglas the place closed down around midnight, until 1990s that was pushed to 1:00am.

I'll leave the druggie bit out in future but you know as well as I do that there are body stumulants involved here more than a few pints or vodkas.

3:30am licensing for nosey hyped up drinking is far too late for any society.

The licensing authority is pandering to the greed of the businesseds and - I say again - pandering to the LCD.

Douglas is becoming a Loud Late Night Sh@thole.

That is Douglas Isle of Man. Not some urban shitehole in the adjacent fucking isle.

I work in the trade and honestly, compared to other places, Douglas is nowhere near as loud or busy.

Saturday in town was pretty much dead in the bars and pubs, although I hear a couple of the clubs later were a bit busier. I was in bed by then myself!

Living in any urban area near a high street will inevitably lead to some disturbance of a weekend (or occasional Thursday) night. Obviously TT time that will be much more regular. 

[The Bastard]

1 hour ago, AOR said:

Why should I move from my home?

The Isle of Man has always had an alcohol culture, it is what made the Island a tourist attraction (far, far more than sandy beeches and glens). Buyt even in Douglas the place closed down around midnight, until 1990s that was pushed to 1:00am.

I'll leave the druggie bit out in future but you know as well as I do that there are body stumulants involved here more than a few pints or vodkas.

3:30am licensing for nosey hyped up drinking is far too late for any society.

The licensing authority is pandering to the greed of the businesseds and - I say again - pandering to the LCD.

Douglas is becoming a Loud Late Night Sh@thole.

That is Douglas Isle of Man. Not some urban shitehole in the adjacent fucking isle.

Shock horror : It was always a Loud Late Night Shithole.

You're confusing "too late for any society" with "too late for my increasingly insular aging viewpoint". Your view is clearly at odds with the rest of society if you're the only one whinging about it.

Perhaps I could point out that 3:30 am is a normal closing time for clubs across the UK ?

Lots of people are out there enjoying themselves, the clubs are staying in business, the town isn't being burned down and all we're talking about is a couple of drunks being noisy outside your house now and again. That doesn't indicate a collapse of society. Can't you just turn your hearing aid down, or sleep in the back bedroom instead ?

Edited June 20, 2022 by The Bastard

[AOR]

1 hour ago, jackwhite said:

I work in the trade and honestly, compared to other places, Douglas is nowhere near as loud or busy.

Saturday in town was pretty much dead in the bars and pubs, although I hear a couple of the clubs later were a bit busier. I was in bed by then myself!

Living in any urban area near a high street will inevitably lead to some disturbance of a weekend (or occasional Thursday) night. Obviously TT time that will be much more regular. 

No problem with loud.

Just a problem with late, as in 4:00am Sunday and Saturday morning, drunks rolling (although not literally rolling @The Bastard) through the town

 

 

27 minutes ago, The Bastard said:

Shock horror : It was always a Loud Late Night Shithole.

You're confusing "too late for any society" with "too late for my increasingly insular aging viewpoint". Your view is clearly at odds with the rest of society if you're the only one whinging about it.

Perhaps I could point out that 3:30 am is a normal closing time for clubs across the UK ?

Lots of people are out there enjoying themselves, the clubs are staying in business, the town isn't being burned down and all we're talking about is a couple of drunks being noisy outside your house now and again. That doesn't indicate a collapse of society. Can't you just turn your hearing aid down, or sleep in the back bedroom instead ?

No shock horror. Not late as in 3:30am closing. It was never "always" like that. 1:0am was late 20 years ago and before that it was midnight at latest.  Your bastard brain and memory are addled.

The Isle of Man, and Douglas in particular, is not UK. 

Loud is fine by me. Just fine. Late too. But not 3:30am closing along with the residue of that late closing.

O, and it is not just me, it is neighbours too, and from other streets. Friends on Douglas Promenade too.

[The Bastard]

40 minutes ago, AOR said:

No problem with loud.

Just a problem with late, as in 4:00am Sunday and Saturday morning, drunks rolling (although not literally rolling @The Bastard) through the town

 

 

No shock horror. Not late as in 3:30am closing. It was never "always" like that. 1:0am was late 20 years ago and before that it was midnight at latest.  Your bastard brain and memory are addled.

The Isle of Man, and Douglas in particular, is not UK. 

Loud is fine by me. Just fine. Late too. But not 3:30am closing along with the residue of that late closing.

O, and it is not just me, it is neighbours too, and from other streets. Friends on Douglas Promenade too.

Hate to tell you, but 1am wasn't late. When there were many more clubs (and many more drunks) some would close at the appointed time but then it was on to other, later venues - Whispers, Casino and the various late-night shebeens in the residents-only hotel bars (Empress Drive was always a dead cert) where there was apparently no closing time. If you can remember it all in detail, you weren't there.

You're making a point that the IOM is not UK - but you said that 3:30 am was "too late for any society". I think that the UK is included in the blanket "any society", and there are bars all over the world (including in London) that don't close at all.

It's not about local societal standards since the bars wouldn't stay open if there wasn't support from local society to keep them in business. It's about your desire to impose your own standards on society, which does seem to be a rather self-centred viewpoint. Dare I say it, it's maybe also about your own recognition that you're no longer in the crowd that's out having fun at 3:30, and that triggers your FOMO. 

[jackwhite]

2 hours ago, AOR said:

No problem with loud.

Just a problem with late, as in 4:00am Sunday and Saturday morning, drunks rolling (although not literally rolling @The Bastard) through the town

 

 

No shock horror. Not late as in 3:30am closing. It was never "always" like that. 1:0am was late 20 years ago and before that it was midnight at latest.  Your bastard brain and memory are addled.

The Isle of Man, and Douglas in particular, is not UK. 

Loud is fine by me. Just fine. Late too. But not 3:30am closing along with the residue of that late closing.

O, and it is not just me, it is neighbours too, and from other streets. Friends on Douglas Promenade too.

The problem is you are in the minority.

We are bemoaning young people leaving the island. How do you expect the Isle of Man to keep them if you aren't offering the same sort of things they can get in the UK?

Should the Isle of Man be solely reserved for an older demographic who don't ever go out? 

Friday and Saturday evenings into morning is absolutely common just about everywhere else in the world. Personally I don't have a notion for that to get any later or be any more frequent either.

But thinking that shouldn't even be allowed is keeping the Isle of Man back decades. The island needs to attract or keep people they would normally lose to the UK. By providing them with no late night facilities or other things, you aren't going to do that. 

Edited June 20, 2022 by jackwhite

[jackwhite]

2 minutes ago, The Bastard said:

Hate to tell you, but 1am wasn't late. When there were many more clubs (and many more drunks) some would close at the appointed time but then it was on to other, later venues - Whispers, Casino and the various late-night shebeens in the residents-only hotel bars (Empress Drive was always a dead cert) where there was apparently no closing time. If you can remember it all in detail, you weren't there.

You're making a point that the IOM is not UK - but you said that 3:30 am was "too late for any society". I think that the UK is included in the blanket "any society", and there are bars all over the world (including in London) that don't close at all.

It's not about local societal standards since the bars wouldn't stay open if there wasn't support from local society to keep them in business. It's about your desire to impose your own standards on society, which does seem to be a rather self-centred viewpoint. Dare I say it, it's maybe also about your own recognition that you're no longer in the crowd that's out having fun at 3:30, and that triggers your FOMO. 

The other thing to consider, is that these bars don't HAVE to close either. The Isle of Man licence is actually 24 hours. 

So the fact you're only having this issue two nights a week, it could be a lot more often if the bars made use of their permitted hours.

Edited June 20, 2022 by jackwhite

[Trigger]

Fabricate a spud-gun and snipe the noisy little pr*cks from the bedroom window. That'll knock the sniff right back out the nostrils. 

 

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