John Wright Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, jackwhite said: The other thing to consider, is that these bars don't HAVE to close either. The Isle of Man licence is actually 24 hours. So the fact you're only having this issue two nights a week, it could be a lot more often if the bars made use of their permitted hours. Unfortunately, they do have to close. Tynwald May have legislated to allow 24 hour drinking/opening. The licensing court, police, even the licensing trade, have spent the last 3 decades building a set of rules and procedures circumventing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, The Bastard said: You're making a point that the IOM is not UK - but you said that 3:30 am was "too late for any society". I think that the UK is included in the blanket "any society", and there are bars all over the world (including in London) that don't close at all. Always read the links. Despite the headline, the list in that article really doesn't really include any 24 hours bars. There's casinos (which do have bars) and restaurants (which may serve alcohol) but the nearest to a proper bar is the venerable Bar Italia and that's only 22 hours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Always read the links. Despite the headline, the list in that article really doesn't really include any 24 hours bars. There's casinos (which do have bars) and restaurants (which may serve alcohol) but the nearest to a proper bar is the venerable Bar Italia and that's only 22 hours. You're missing the point and disappearing off into Asperger land. Casinos and restaurants still serve alcohol and have bars. The fact that one bar on the list closes for 2 hours from 5-7 am doesn't make any difference. I could equally have pointed you at Las Vegas, Miami, Thailand - anywhere. The point of the response is that not all societies demand that bars close at 1am. Edited June 20, 2022 by The Bastard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 6 hours ago, AOR said: Why should I move from my home? Because you don’t seem to like living there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 6 hours ago, AOR said: Why should I move from my home? The Isle of Man has always had an alcohol culture, it is what made the Island a tourist attraction (far, far more than sandy beeches and glens). Buyt even in Douglas the place closed down around midnight, until 1990s that was pushed to 1:00am. I'll leave the druggie bit out in future but you know as well as I do that there are body stumulants involved here more than a few pints or vodkas. 3:30am licensing for nosey hyped up drinking is far too late for any society. The licensing authority is pandering to the greed of the businesseds and - I say again - pandering to the LCD. Douglas is becoming a Loud Late Night Sh@thole. That is Douglas Isle of Man. Not some urban shitehole in the adjacent fucking isle. You are telling the truth re opening times in the past and now. I am not surprised you are getting annoyed. Back in the "Day" My day, mid 80s to 90's the clubs kicked out at 1:30 - 1:45 if you knew "Sponge" you may have got a lock in at Paramount. That is all. The only place to go once the clubs were shut was the Casino, if you were already drunk, the bouncers would not let you in if they thought you were too pissed. A licensing regime that allows bars like 1866 and a couple of others to sell until 3:30 am is just stupid. I am not even sure it is wanted any more , all 3 of my children who go out are not interested in 3:30am end of nights and when I ask why they don't stay out that late they say "WHY WOULD I " Heavy drinking is the unusual way to act nowadays, it is not like it was in the past, The new generations are far more sensible than we ever were. Pissed up persons walking home at 4am making a lot of noise have problems, they are not what is called Nice Drunks.................. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOR Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 5 hours ago, The Bastard said: Dare I say it, it's maybe also about your own recognition that you're no longer in the crowd that's out having fun at 3:30, and that triggers your FOMO. These people are not having "fun". If they were I would have no problem. Most of the time it is foul-mouthed, slurred and loud argument. Not fun. Not fun at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, AOR said: Most of the time it is foul-mouthed, slurred and loud argument. No, it fuggin' ishn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 17 hours ago, John Wright said: Unfortunately, they do have to close. Tynwald May have legislated to allow 24 hour drinking/opening. The licensing court, police, even the licensing trade, have spent the last 3 decades building a set of rules and procedures circumventing it. But just to be clear, there isn't anything stopping them opening 24 hours by the letter of their licence, is that not the case? I know full well the extent of the court, police and trade (some of the current legislation is still ridiculously outdated) but could they actually stop them opening or just not renew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 23 minutes ago, jackwhite said: But just to be clear, there isn't anything stopping them opening 24 hours by the letter of their licence, is that not the case? I know full well the extent of the court, police and trade (some of the current legislation is still ridiculously outdated) but could they actually stop them opening or just not renew? Its the inter reaction between the alcohol and music and dancing licensing where it gets tricky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOR Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) When this wonderful "24 hour drinking" was introduced our lawmakers envisaged pleasantly middle-classed young folk sitting at tables, possibly in the street, in whispered conversation, broken only from the sound of the chinking of a twisted stemmed wine glass on a glass topped table. A somewhat continental metropolitan dream as we enter the high tech 24 hour society. The kicking out time of 1:00am (yes folks, 1:00am at weekends, even your beloved Cave, Whispers and Studebakers) was causing problems for the police as the mass kicking out time was like 'Black Eyed Friday' rolled into a couple of hours, with many of the so called revellers cramming in their alcohol consumption at the dreaded "Last Orders" which signified the end of their fun. So it made sense to spread any potential trouble over a longer period of time to make it manageable and hopefully dissipate the universal Last Orders syndrome. No doubt the police are finding things an easier, or rather a less difficult time now. The cells can fill up over a few hours to accommodate the drunks, rather than the usual time-honoured drunken rush hour at Police HQ. It's managing the drunkenness and alcoholism rather than controlling it. Our society has more than its fair share of drunken, selfish, foul- and loud-mouthed pissheads. And it seems that society as a whole just accepts that and even panders to them, and the businesses that make their fortune from alcoholism Edited June 21, 2022 by AOR 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 30 minutes ago, AOR said: When this wonderful "24 hour drinking" was introduced our lawmakers envisaged pleasantly middle-classed young folk sitting at tables, possibly in the street, in whispered conversation, broken only from the sound of the chinking of a twisted stemmed wine glass on a glass topped table. A somewhat continental metropolitan dream as we enter the high tech 24 hour society. The kicking out time of 1:00am (yes folks, 1:00am at weekends, even your beloved Cave, Whispers and Studebakers) was causing problems for the police as the mass kicking out time was like 'Black Eyed Friday' rolled into a couple of hours, with many of the so called revellers cramming in their alcohol consumption at the dreaded "Last Orders" which signified the end of their fun. So it made sense to spread any potential trouble over a longer period of time to make it manageable and hopefully dissipate the universal Last Orders syndrome. No doubt the police are finding things an easier, or rather a less difficult time now. The cells can fill up over a few hours to accommodate the drunks, rather than the usual time-honoured drunken rush hour at Police HQ. It's managing the drunkenness and alcoholism rather than controlling it. Our society has more than its fair share of drunken, selfish, foul- and loud-mouthed pissheads. And it seems that society as a whole just accepts that and even panders to them, and the businesses that make their fortune from alcoholism I think you either have a rose tinted view of drinking in those days or you don't actually know the full extent of it. From what I understand lock-ins were common place and happened regularly. They don't these days. There are a couple of venues on island I know the police don't take delight in managing at all. They are a drain on resource. There are also several others currently who are continually falling below standard, to say the least. Much of your post says a lot about how you think. Let's take the word 'controlling'. Then your (very outdated) take on businesses. You're coming across as someone who is completely against the industry and therefore, back to your original complaints in this thread, you don't have an unbiased view and certainly can't present one. Yes, there are also several others in this thread who will have a balanced view. Personally I work in the trade so, obviously, I'm not for completely banning it. Again, as has been stated, things would be a lot worse if you lived in other parts of the world. You sound as though you're on the prom somewhere, which is inevitably going to be a busy place for people passing at any time of the day or night. You seem to think you have more rights as an individual person (and your small band of people who you say agree) than every other person who doesn't mind it, employees in the trade, people who want to drink and business owners. They, collectively, contribute a hell of a lot more to our economy than you as one individual. We need more income for the island not less. If you have a solution (other than stop people drinking after 1 and possibly closing down all alcohol related businesses) please do let us hear it. However otherwise, if all you're going to do is complain about the same thing over and over again, then I'd suggest sorting out some sort of campaign or watch scheme. You may have better success with that than just moaning at and about folk. That said, taking what I've said in the last paragraph into account, I doubt it. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 How on Earth do folk manage to afford to drink themselves even more stupid? Why do folk drink themselves even more stupid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) Cave back in the day was 2am not 1am . Drink up was 1 30 called , out by 2am . Edited June 21, 2022 by Numbnuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOR Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 @jackwhite I'm not against the alcohol industry per se. I'm not against late night so-called clubbing as such. I'm all for it and all for people having fun and enjoying themselves. Dance to loud music all night long - I don't have a particular opinion. What I am against is drunkenness and anti-social behaviour. How can't you see that? Go get drunk as much as you like (and yes, drugs too if that is a person's desire) but don't let that overspill into other people's enjoyment of life. Inebriated loudmouths wondering the streets of Douglas at 4:0m on a Sunday thinking the world revolves around them is what I am complaining about, and society is facilitating that. And your argument seems to be condoning it. The few as always spoil it for the rest, and that includes people who enjoy late night drinking and partying and also the people who enjoy a bit of peace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOR Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: Cave back in the day was 2am not 1am . Drink up was 1 30 called , out by 2am . It may well have been latterly. I think there was a last entry too. There were queues at 10:30pm (I remember Parish Walk leaders coming in and being cheered by the queue). So plenty of time to have a good night out. 3:30am is ridiculous. Edited June 21, 2022 by AOR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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