800 Billion Pounds.....

[Gladys]

Any proceeds to government should be ring-fenced for assisting in the change to green energy.  That does not mean commissioning reports, but offering  subsidies for household adaptations and so on.  

[The Phantom]

6 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Any proceeds to government should be ring-fenced for assisting in the change to green energy.  That does not mean commissioning reports, but offering  subsidies for household adaptations and so on.  

Now that is a good idea!  Use the gas taxes to fund viable green initiatives - heat pumps etc.  Not just planting bloody trees!

[CallMeCurious]

5 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

Now that is a good idea!  Use the gas taxes to fund viable green initiatives - heat pumps etc.  Not just planting bloody trees!

You just know they'd spend it on uber cruise berths, rebuilding bridges from the defunct railway for active travel and other pie in the sky ideas they can put there name plaques on. Monorail from Port Erin to Bride right up through the central area to look at all the wind turbines and piles of dead birds.

 

[The Phantom]

4 minutes ago, CallMeCurious said:

 piles of dead birds.

 

How about a solid gold statue on the prom of Quayle and Ashford skipping hand in hand, whilst wearing full PPE?

All the birds are gone my friend.... all the better to crack on with the windmills. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-58318062

[SleepyJoe]

47 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

Now that is a good idea!  Use the gas taxes to fund viable green initiatives - heat pumps etc.  Not just planting bloody trees!

It's the only way extraction would gain public support, if it were to pay for the higher ambition highway to net zero

[The Phantom]

11 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said:

It's the only way extraction would gain public support, if it were to pay for the higher ambition highway to net zero

There's a certain irony to it also, that isn't wasted upon me... 

[Cambon]

1 hour ago, The Phantom said:

Now that is a good idea!  Use the gas taxes to fund viable green initiatives - heat pumps etc.  Not just planting bloody trees!

But that (carbon capture) is what is required. Not expensive and virtually ineffective heat pumps.

[The Phantom]

13 minutes ago, Cambon said:

But that (carbon capture) is what is required. Not expensive and virtually ineffective heat pumps.

It realistically takes at least 10/20 years for the trees to grow and any meaningful carbon capture to occur. 

Mature forests actually reach an equilibrium of carbon capture.   Trees respire at night (give off carbon dioxide), as do the creatures that will live in these forests and so will the vegetation that dies and decomposes. 

It's basically putting a sticky plaster on a severed limb a few days after the injury. 

Limiting the emissions of Carbon Dioxide or making our use of causes of the release much more efficient will have a much greater and more urgent effect. 

[SleepyJoe]

Andrew Marr was giving some young climate activists [including a 19 year old with a doctorate] a hard time on R4 this morning

One of them said manufacturers produce a million cars a year, & they need to retool to making a million carbon capture machines

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000zsdg

[Max Power]

21 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said:

Andrew Marr was giving some young climate activists [including a 19 year old with a doctorate] a hard time on R4 this morning

One of them said manufacturers produce a million cars a year, & they need to retool to making a million carbon capture machines

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000zsdg

VW Group and Toyota alone produce between 8 and 9 million vehicles each per year. 

Edited September 20, 2021 by Max Power

[Roger Mexico]

21 minutes ago, Max Power said:

VW Group and Toyota alone produce between 8 and 9 million vehicles each per year. 

A million seems to be a good round figure for UK production of cars, which is presumably what they meant, though 1.25-1.5 million on average would be more accurate:

Of course we also ought to be thinking globally as well, but I suspect the context was UK.

[Roger Mexico]

58 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

Mature forests actually reach an equilibrium of carbon capture.   Trees respire at night (give off carbon dioxide), as do the creatures that will live in these forests and so will the vegetation that dies and decomposes. 

There will be some manufacture of soil, both directly and indirectly, but it's true that things like the reinstatement of peat bogs might be better for carbon capture.  As ever people and politicians need to understand that the natural world is complex and no one simple solution is going to solve anything.  They can't go "Oh look we've put 5p on plastic bags - that's saved the planet!".

[Non-Believer]

"Green" taxes are less about "Green" and more about revenue anyway.

[Max Power]

22 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

A million seems to be a good round figure for UK production of cars, which is presumably what they meant, though 1.25-1.5 million on average would be more accurate:

Of course we also ought to be thinking globally as well, but I suspect the context was UK.

Yes Roger, agreed. But therein lies the problem, the UK is one of the cleaner countries which has resolved to become even cleaner. This is a world wide issue and we seem to be banging our heads against a brick wall in getting the likes of China, Africa and the USA to take this more seriously. 

[b4mbi]

It is quite simple.

The gas revenue pays for the green agenda, and gets the island where it wants to be quicker.

Billions of pounds surprisingly help enormously in getting things done.